Carrier seal-clubbing is pure cancer

[Ghojo]

Carriers are broken and people abuse it to go seal-clubbing new players. There is nothing a new player can do about it, as the anti-air on ships below Tier 6 - T8 is pretty much useless.

So all a new player who hasn't reached Tier 8 can do is watch helplessly how their ship gets blown to pieces by undefeatable planes. Which just drop bombs right on top of you or torpedoes 10m in front of you - preferably on your broadside - which is impossible to evade.

Note that in my T4 battleship, with a hull upgrade, a single torpedoe attack from a plane took down 1/3rd of my health.
Plus the bomb attacks and the planes rearming so fast, often you get killed by planes before you can even shoot a single enemy ship.


New players in ther lower ranks get to experience how veteran players go seal-clubbing them from the other side of the map, with no practical defense.

And yet CV fans defend them religiously and basically tell you to "git gut and suck it up until you reach T8".


The devs appearently don't care, as can be seen here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/c9cu6o/world_of_warships_community_meltdown_as_game/

Nice to see how their plan for the game is to make the new players experience as awful as possible, to push them into grinding to T8 - were the costs become so high that they are likely to spend real money to circumvent it.

Greed strikes again.

[slayerfar]

Publicado originalmente por Ashardalon:

3. is also impossible at as at that tier your ally CV cant deploy fighters on you
only way they could help is sail in formation with you
but that just means everyone tries to kill it as if its a smolensk

but even if they could
the fighter consumable is absolutely worthless as their engagement range is just stupid
they dont go hunting for everything that comes into their radius like they should
they only really hunt things that first run into them wich you can easily dodge as a CV player
the fighter consumable desperately needs a rework so those fighters can pretend to have a brain instead of just spinning circles pointlessly

Fighter consumable is also one of the few AA options available even at low tier.

[El Nebuloso]

CVs are garbage. I play Scenarios quite a bit, and if you are unfortunate enough to get a CV on your team, it means that 9 times out of 10 your team will end up losing the game. In Random Battles they are at best an annoyance, and at worst far too OP. They definitely need some sort of adjustment.

[casualsailor]

@slayerfar Clearly, you are speaking from the standpoint of T-8 thru T-10. And I appreciate your opinion. I am often subject to blind fire hits from cruisers in smoke. Although this tends to happen at T5 thru T7 more than at T4.

But at T-4 when there are 3 CVs per side, I've been struck by rockets on numerous occasions while hiding in smoke. At T-4 what also happens is that the CVs take turns vectoring aircraft to a smoke screen to ensure that one of them will get a strike when it dissipates. This happens to me on a routine basis.

My main complaint is not that a single CV is OP at T-4. It is that in T-4 games when there are 3 CVs their ability to coordinate and saturate smoke with fire plus the anemic AA of T-3 and T-4 DDs makes the fights unfair.

Given that I've yet to find anyone who thinks having 3 CVs in a T-10 game would be acceptable why should anyone accept having 3 CVs in a T-4 game?

[slayerfar]

Publicado originalmente por casualsailor:

@slayerfar Clearly, you are speaking from the standpoint of T-8 thru T-10. And I appreciate your opinion. I am often subject to blind fire hits from cruisers in smoke. Although this tends to happen at T5 thru T7 more than at T4.

But at T-4 when there are 3 CVs per side, I've been struck by rockets on numerous occasions while hiding in smoke. At T-4 what also happens is that the CVs take turns vectoring aircraft to a smoke screen to ensure that one of them will get a strike when it dissipates. This happens to me on a routine basis.

My main complaint is not that a single CV is OP at T-4. It is that in T-4 games when there are 3 CVs their ability to coordinate and saturate smoke with fire plus the anemic AA of T-3 and T-4 DDs makes the fights unfair.

Given that I've yet to find anyone who thinks having 3 CVs in a T-10 game would be acceptable why should anyone accept having 3 CVs in a T-4 game?

Aye. Limit on 1 CV per game would be in order.

[Ghojo]

Publicado originalmente por slayerfar:

Aye. Limit on 1 CV per game would be in order.

This. And either nerf plane damage below T6 or buff the AA damage on the lower tier ships, so that newer players can have a fun match too.

[DESU VULT]

Known issue and wargaming won't fix it because catering to bad players and making money from wows for playstation comes first. They don't even hide it anymore that they don't care.

[casualsailor]

Publicado originalmente por Ghojo:

Publicado originalmente por slayerfar:

Aye. Limit on 1 CV per game would be in order.

This. And either nerf plane damage below T6 or buff the AA damage on the lower tier ships, so that newer players can have a fun match too.

Was in a 8v8 game last night with 3 CVs per side. This is just ridiculous. But I've taken the advice I've read here to heart.

I cruise around in my DD in the back with a friendly CA or BB, rarely getting a chance to fire a torp or shoot my guns.

When they are finally destroyed I try to make it to the nearest survivor and do the same. If I ever find myself within gun range of an enemy I'll fire my guns hoping to get 2k-3k damage per game.

I'll shoot down 3-4 planes if I survive more than 10-15 mins.

I'll pop my 2 smoke charges if we ever get in sight of a CV in hopes that the others will survive long enough to focus it down. Of course I can't really help since we are rarely in range of my guns or torps.

Then when all my fellows are dead and I am out of smoke and defenseless, I'll twist and turn then die. Then I'll wait out the final 5-10 minutes of the game while the surviving CVs battle each other to see if I profited or lost credits.

If I am lucky I'll score enough damage to receive 10k in credits. I've had to stop wearing camo or using premium smoke since if it is a defeat then I'd have to pay 20-30k credits for the privilege of being a seal.

[OBXandos]

Sounds like you are well on your way to being a below average player. Keep it up and you can fail your way to T10, if you can afford it. Glad we could help out!

[Jackson]

3v3 carriers should be gone early next year. I'm not sure how to link from the Development blog directly, but here's a screenshot:

https://prnt.sc/qe3eae

[casualsailor]

Publicado originalmente por OBXandos:

Sounds like you are well on your way to being a below average player. Keep it up and you can fail your way to T10, if you can afford it. Glad we could help out!

That is sarcasm. I recognize it.

But I do find it interesting that when one follows the advice that you and other elitists have provided you claim that it leads down the road to being "a below average player."

If it offends you to see the results of your advice then perhaps in the future you should keep it to yourself.

[Karmaterrorᵁᴷ]

Im sure some will think im nuts for this... but i sell all my combat flags and the better consumables(keep special and eco flags). Im sure that will stop when i have a good few T10s but right now i have 4 lines on there way to T10 and it works out at 100,000,000 credits to get all 4 lol

Im never playing with combat flags, just a camo and eco ones. So dont worry if you cant use the flags, i wouldnt enable them and pay credits, just use if you have a stockpile saved up, and you want some extra punch for a round or so. You can still do good without them :)

[Jackson]

Publicado originalmente por Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:

Im sure some will think im nuts for this...

You're nuts.

I just dropped several million credits on flags so I can go 5% faster than you! (used armory coupons before they expire lol)

[Karmaterrorᵁᴷ]

Publicado originalmente por Jack:

Publicado originalmente por Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:

Im sure some will think im nuts for this...

You're nuts.

I just dropped several million credits on flags so I can go 5% faster than you! (used armory coupons before they expire lol)

Your 5% faster is just half a milldot more to me :P

[OBXandos]

Publicado originalmente por casualsailor:

Publicado originalmente por OBXandos:

Sounds like you are well on your way to being a below average player. Keep it up and you can fail your way to T10, if you can afford it. Glad we could help out!

That is sarcasm. I recognize it.

But I do find it interesting that when one follows the advice that you and other elitists have provided you claim that it leads down the road to being "a below average player."

If it offends you to see the results of your advice then perhaps in the future you should keep it to yourself.

It does not offend me in the slightest because as far as I can tell you followed none of my advice.

DDs should be in front of their allies for the most part. Not behind them. You have not progressed past the lower tiers and for some reason desire to stay in the location that intentionally has poor AA and CV interactions.

Maybe one day you will figure out what to do. Until then keep at it, you might just stumble into some fun.

[Ghojo]

Publicado originalmente por OBXandos:

You have not progressed past the lower tiers and for some reason desire to stay in the location that intentionally has poor AA and CV interactions.

Once again, that is welcoming to new players exactly how?