broken AF MM...vets favored over new players

[Gogopher]

gotta say for a while i bought into the whole no skill preferences for MM and that rooms would be random within the mirror MM...NOT at all

playing today 22 games over the space of a few hours both solo and grouped an astounding 16 of 22 were against teams that had more ranked players (this is a trend that i noticed a few days ago and was hoping it was an anomaly...sadly it isnt)....that is 72% of my games were against teams that had one or more more ranked players than my team...and in 3 rooms their entire team was ranked....needless to say i lost the vast majority of those rooms (5 wins 17 losses-in 15 losses i had fewer ranked on my team...)

statistically this is frankly improbable if not impossible to justify as 'randomly picked teams'...this is plain and simply team stacking by wargame and world of warships...in the rooms that i won the majority of them (4/5) had me with the more ranked players...

now u say ranked players arent better than unranked...and yes many times i find this to be at least somewhat true...however every single ranked player has t least on tier 10 ship since that is the min to play ranked...thus at a min have considerably more experience at the game and its mechanics than i (t7 is my highest earned and t8 is my highest ship) or most likely those who arent ranked

so if u are new to the game be warned that the MM is not fair...it is not unbiased...and it favors veteran players over newcomers (good way to NOT grow ur player base...but hey whatever floats ur boat)...this being another russian company it prolly has something to do with the russian fetish of keeping everyone in the realm of 50/50 W/L...while quietly favoring certain clans (WoT anyone) or in this case veteran players...

now most likely im going to get a dev or mod coming swearing up and down im wrong there is no player bias...well the numbers dont lie...this isnt one isolated case in one isolated day...this has been going on for days now with the same or similiar numbers....everytime i lose now i check...yup they had more ranked...oh we won...who woulda thought we had more ranked

tldr: MM is broken AF with ranked players receiving preferential MM over unranked

[Ashardalon]

but your team has you
and you seem to have a 25% winrate
the other team needs some pretty bad players to compensate for that
and even the best players need some support from their team

[Donegali]

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

No you don't get It Sidan one player does not make a team over 25 games you should be able to win at least 50 % with or without me . Its Random game random people play there should be a 50% chance of a win no matter what even If I got on the winning side Its supposed to be pure chance and Its not.

No, you're the one that doesn't get it, 50% WR would only happen if the MM was skill based. Because it is not skill based and isnt rigged, instead out of 100 games you will win 33% of them no matter what you do, you will lose 33% of games no matter what you do, the rest of the games YOU can help influence a win or a loss. That is why you see very very few players below 33% WR and very very few above 70%.

I've been playing this game almost since beta, and I've seen this accusation come up time after time, always by new players with poor stats who believe they should be better than their stats show. And time after time they laugh at advice given or call the vets liars. The ones that actively try to improve and listen to the advice slowly start improving both tactically and statistically. The others tend to just get more frustrated. WoWs is an easy game to pick up, but a complex game to do well in.

Also, stop comparing WT and WoWs they are 2 different games that share a common theme.

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

answer this why when I play ranked battles I do better more wins...answer that one.I have more chance of a win there than In random and that's the truth.........

I also do better in Ranked and usually run a 68% + WR

[Ashardalon]

probably also because russian BBs perform better with less ships spamming HE at them

[Sidian]

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

No you don't get It Sidan one player does not make a team over 25 games you should be able to win at least 50 % with or without me .Its Random game random people play there should be a 50% chance of a win no matter what even If I got on the winning side Its supposed to be pure chance and Its not.

Sorry, but YOU don't get it. It's not a pure chance, because you are always on your team.

Just imagine throwing three dice vs three dice over and over and over again. The player with the higher number of pips wins a round. It's completely random - unless one player doesn't roll one die anymore, but instead replace it with a 1 or 6. And that player will be either losing or winning a lot more, depending on the number he chose.

The players in your match are that random number. They can be anything. But over the course of many matches, they are just average.
But you are not random. You are always a fixed number. And your team will either win or lose more often depending on how high your fixed "skill" number is.
Remember, you are always on your team.

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

War thunder Is like this Americans and the Brits and Germans part of the time against the Russian and Germans and Asians French games are evenly matched every day . Really the Americans win 53% of battles and I kept all records of at least 15 sets of 50 battles battles You always win at least 50% but not here.

You are not looking at a single player there. You are looking at entire factions with probably thousand of random players, all with different skill levels.
When looking at a single player, War Thunder has exactly the same system as WoWs. No skill based Match Making. Players with 70% winrates and players with 30% winrates. It's exactly the same there, you just picked a statistic that looks nice to you without even understading its meaning.

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

Then answer this why when I play ranked battles I do better more wins...answer that one.

Because ranked DOES have a skill based match making. It's not very precise but it's there.

[OBXandos]

Publicado originalmente por Donegali:

I've been playing this game almost since beta, and I've seen this accusation come up time after time, always by new players with poor stats who believe they should be better than their stats show. And time after time they laugh at advice given or call the vets liars. The ones that actively try to improve and listen to the advice slowly start improving both tactically and statistically. The others tend to just get more frustrated. WoWs is an easy game to pick up, but a complex game to do well in.

I'd give you a +1 if I could. I swear this game is just a giant psych test to see what kind of person everyone is

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

Then answer this why when I play ranked battles I do better more wins...answer that one.I have more chance of a win there than In random and that's the truth.........

Because the teams are smaller. Each person on the team has a larger percentage of responsibility. In randoms I have about a 52% win rate and a 1200 PR. In this last season of ranked in my GK I am at 57% win rate and 1800 PR. I was also getting Confederate or High Caliber in nearly every game. Something I do not do in randoms. With a smaller team your contributions weigh more. If you are better than your team you have a better chance to carry them to victory. If you are worse than your team you drag them down even more.

The point to all of this discussion is to better inform you, the OP, and anyone else that may be reading. Matchmaking has not been shown to be rigged and the devs have said the MM is not rigged. YOU are the only thing responsible for your own win rate and personal rating. I and others have stated many times that MM cannot control the most important skills in the game, the player's skills. MM cannot account for positioning, target selection, ammo selection, aiming, and RNG of shells and mechanics.

[sneakybass]

Publicado originalmente por Gogopher:

gotta say for a while i bought into the whole no skill preferences for MM and that rooms would be random within the mirror MM...NOT at all

playing today 22 games over the space of a few hours both solo and grouped an astounding 16 of 22 were against teams that had more ranked players (this is a trend that i noticed a few days ago and was hoping it was an anomaly...sadly it isnt)....that is 72% of my games were against teams that had one or more more ranked players than my team...and in 3 rooms their entire team was ranked....needless to say i lost the vast majority of those rooms (5 wins 17 losses-in 15 losses i had fewer ranked on my team...)

statistically this is frankly improbable if not impossible to justify as 'randomly picked teams'...this is plain and simply team stacking by wargame and world of warships...in the rooms that i won the majority of them (4/5) had me with the more ranked players...

now u say ranked players arent better than unranked...and yes many times i find this to be at least somewhat true...however every single ranked player has t least on tier 10 ship since that is the min to play ranked...thus at a min have considerably more experience at the game and its mechanics than i (t7 is my highest earned and t8 is my highest ship) or most likely those who arent ranked

so if u are new to the game be warned that the MM is not fair...it is not unbiased...and it favors veteran players over newcomers (good way to NOT grow ur player base...but hey whatever floats ur boat)...this being another russian company it prolly has something to do with the russian fetish of keeping everyone in the realm of 50/50 W/L...while quietly favoring certain clans (WoT anyone) or in this case veteran players...

now most likely im going to get a dev or mod coming swearing up and down im wrong there is no player bias...well the numbers dont lie...this isnt one isolated case in one isolated day...this has been going on for days now with the same or similiar numbers....everytime i lose now i check...yup they had more ranked...oh we won...who woulda thought we had more ranked

tldr: MM is broken AF with ranked players receiving preferential MM over unranked

Gogopher how well do you play the crazy people think one player fixes this problem and Its your fault If the game Is lost., If the teams were evenly matched and even experianced players the wins should almost be even If based on a persons scoring just like when they have a even amount of ships of the same type even If he not a good player the other team should have a playing of the same caliber witch this game does not do.....you scores sound like the same old crap I go thru every day even thou kicked but today but my teams are not agressive enough they love to snipe and the destroyers are lazy about entering the zones and start spotting for my Battleship.......by the way your ships need 19 point captains and 1000 hours you should be doing pretty good..

[sneakybass]

Do you know whats It like to go Into a dam game where 60% are he spammers one or two Battleships and the rest are destroyers Battleships are not worth a dam anymore...

[sneakybass]

Todays score were 4 wins and 3 defeats It was a good day As long as the games are at 50% Im happy Random game random people random skills levels thats the way It should be...Why are so many games just a complete wipe out It blows my mind some times either one side gets the lazy players or your side. Nobody wants to loose 65 to 70% of games keep It even in regards to players --stats-- not just ships.......I would add more maybe later..

[CrazyFox555]

i know this dosent fit here but

wanted to connct my steam account with wow clint account then my acount on steam with all my ships are gone, but wenn i look up now my wow clint account on the website ships are still there iinstalling the game from wow clint and hope my ships are still there

[sneakybass]

Publicado originalmente por CrazyFox55555:

i know this dosent fit here but

wanted to connct my steam account with wow clint account then my acount on steam with all my ships are gone, but wenn i look up now my wow clint account on the website ships are still there iinstalling the game from wow clint and hope my ships are still there

I have a steam acc I asked about It .I don't think you can link It....secuity on wows web site won't let you same goes for steam...good luck........

[sneakybass]

Update just finished 11 games 4 looses so just desregard all posts here I have no idea whats going on........are teams just stomped every game I don't get It It was so easy.I came in first place one game and had three kills on another captains are at 12 points on average up to 17 points an aced captian really helps cant wait till i get one. I played no different than every game I always do but the teams i were on just killer I have no clue why this game does this. Team work was awsome in most games . Hours of practice make a difference and sleep makes a big difference. I only have 500 hours. I think most fun I have had In a long time. Good players were every where today why cant i get them all the other times. I believe 500 hours Is where things start to come together first learning just how stay live and learn the game top to bottom second the Captains need to be at least 14 points to help keep ship alive better. Experiance Is the key In this game. Don't get me wrong this game has some problems I had a Akizuke tier 8 destroy my battle ship a punny destroyer with he spam 2 second reload burn me to the ground with no help from other ships. Thats what I mean about stupid in game when a destoryer can stay invisible out in the open stays at distance you cant do a dam thing he stayed at 8km. Because there were no other ships like a destroyer to help or cruzer . They have the advantage when yours are gone . Battleships can only destory them with help locating them or spoting them ....... and then when you desengage they shoot you in the as* and you cant do a dam thing and that goes for the cruzers too.....

[sneakybass]

I have just played a few games with the destoryer I feel like Im cheating being Invisible I wont go back playing that way untill the game is evened up some for the Battleships so they find away for battle ships to counter the Destoryers and cruzers , they have the islands to hide behind thats where they should be and sniping from there...

[sneakybass]

A thing to think about at tier 8 most people have at least two years up to 4 years experience. I kind of feel sorry for players who move up fast to tier 8 or higher you will get your but kicked.

[Spalding]

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

Do you know whats It like to go Into a dam game where 60% are he spammers one or two Battleships and the rest are destroyers Battleships are not worth a dam anymore...

Yes we do we play the game as well.

Publicado originalmente por You Die0244:

I have just played a few games with the destoryer I feel like Im cheating being Invisible I wont go back playing that way untill the game is evened up some

Cut the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ youre not playing them because in Le Terrible you got ZERO damage and ZERO PR, asashio b you managed 218 damage ZERO PR and z39 you managed 7k damage. How the ♥♥♥♥ do you manage to get zero damage in a terrible? you were dead the second you were spotted. These op ships you keep banging on about that cant be beaten?

[Donegali]

Publicado originalmente por CrazyFox55555:

i know this dosent fit here but

wanted to connct my steam account with wow clint account then my acount on steam with all my ships are gone, but wenn i look up now my wow clint account on the website ships are still there iinstalling the game from wow clint and hope my ships are still there

Can I suggest you repost this in the Problems and Bugs forum as a New thread so we dont derail this one?

Also, please ignore the reply from YouDie0244, it can be done.