Des Moines (10k HP) took out a full HP Thunderer

[POP]

well it was left to 1vs1, i bow attacked des moines who was kiting away at -45degrees to 0degrees. my HE got him down to nearly dead, he kept on healing. all good fair enough...
he kept on doing insane damage to me at to bow (my 0 degrees) i did angle to shoot off all guns and then straighten up. anyway from full HP he killed me in a min or so.

now there were no broadsides, there were mainly bow and front hits. he kept on switching between HP and HE but that was ok, i repaired the fire and it wasn't an issue.

i would like to know how 203mm guns damage, rate of fire of des moines can do this much damage in so little time. in same conditions when i brawl, i've seen this kind of damage from BBs georgia, pommern, yamato obviously.. all big guns.. i was so surprised 203mm took me out (also what kind of super heal does des moines have? anyone know?)

i just checked after match stats. he sank 5 out 6 ships. raises an eyebrow to the aimbot hack tbh. (5ships out of say 20 is reasonable, but 5 out of 6 is highly unlikely in my opinion)

[Kamiyama]

It has a repair party. But according to the wiki, not very good armor. In fact the wiki says it's susceptible to HE.

It's one of the few tier X ships I would like to get some day. It has a high rate of fire and could make a good HE spammer.

Was your ship on fire? The forward, mid, and rear sections of the ship can all be lit on fire or flooded for DOT.

[Hiei]

Aimbot hack, game already has aim bot in it.
I've gotten a kraken before and I'm not that great. You just have to get killing hits, not even do that much damage

[dakin1]

I got deleted in the North Carolina by 2 salvos from a Stalingrad (10 AP hits for 30k damage) a few days ago. Some of the high tier cruisers can do nasty damage with AP if you don't respect them. The DM is a pretty good ship at dishing out damage per minute (I've seen top players manage 200k damage with it) but as has been mentioned the armor is suspect and is often easily overmatched.

[POP]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

It has a repair party. But according to the wiki, not very good armor. In fact the wiki says it's susceptible to HE.

It's one of the few tier X ships I would like to get some day. It has a high rate of fire and could make a good HE spammer.

Was your ship on fire? The forward, mid, and rear sections of the ship can all be lit on fire or flooded for DOT.

yeah i was on fire but i put repair out. by the time repair came back online 1min after or so it was all over..

[Jackson]

Originally posted by POP:

well it was left to 1vs1, i bow attacked des moines who was kiting away at -45degrees to 0degrees. my HE got him down to nearly dead, he kept on healing. all good fair enough...
he kept on doing insane damage to me at to bow (my 0 degrees) i did angle to shoot off all guns and then straighten up. anyway from full HP he killed me in a min or so.

now there were no broadsides, there were mainly bow and front hits. he kept on switching between HP and HE but that was ok, i repaired the fire and it wasn't an issue.

i would like to know how 203mm guns damage, rate of fire of des moines can do this much damage in so little time. in same conditions when i brawl, i've seen this kind of damage from BBs georgia, pommern, yamato obviously.. all big guns.. i was so surprised 203mm took me out (also what kind of super heal does des moines have? anyone know?)

i just checked after match stats. he sank 5 out 6 ships. raises an eyebrow to the aimbot hack tbh. (5ships out of say 20 is reasonable, but 5 out of 6 is highly unlikely in my opinion)

Your bow has no armor. That's true of a lot of ships. He just knew where to aim. DM can out dps a lot of things. It just doesn't stand up to citadel hits well at all and it's heal is a standard cruiser heal (fairly weak). It can do surprising things sometimes though. It can citadel some battleships with AP if you're close enough and flat enough broadside.

But anyway, yea, sounds like he just kept shredding up your bow where you have no armor and his ability to fire so quickly won the day.

[Sidian]

Originally posted by POP:

i would like to know how 203mm guns damage, rate of fire of des moines can do this much damage in so little time.

Des Moines has extremly high DPM (damage per minute) values and a very high fire chance thanks to the rate of fire. Thanks to the very good AP auto bounce angles, it's also quite easy to deal tons of damage to angled battleships by shooting into the superstructure (from the front or back).

The captain skill reword did the rest. Even higher rate of fire, even more AP damage. If he hit half of his shots, he would deal 4k AP volleys to you every ~4 seconds despite the angle. Add in a bit of HE to keep fires rolling and the Des Moines can melt ships.

Originally posted by POP:

i just checked after match stats. he sank 5 out 6 ships. raises an eyebrow to the aimbot hack tbh. (5ships out of say 20 is reasonable, but 5 out of 6 is highly unlikely in my opinion)

There is no working aim bot/assist for WoWs currently afaik, and to be honest, experienced players aim BETTER than aim bots/assists ever could because players can predict the opponents' movement much better.

[dakin1]

A few days ago I watched a Des Moines on our team hold off 2 BBs and a heavy cruiser trying to make a flank push for about 4-5 minutes. He took all three ships down to about 1/3 health before being sunk by torpedo planes from the enemy CV (with heals I estimate he dealt out around 130k damage in that engagement). I was extremely impressed at the amount of damage that ship could dish out, while constantly moving and angling to prevent getting deleted by the heavy AP salvos coming his way. Unfortunately, despite multiple requests for help from our other 3 BBs still alive in the match, his "teammates" were too busy sitting in the back sniping at other ships to come over and help and the enemy rolled up the flank and steamrolled the rest of our team. Still, kudos to the DM player for his skill in fighting 1 on 3.

[Lordcrafty]

your mistake was not switching to AP, the thunderer has a high enough caliber and penetration to comfortably overmatch and citadel the DM, Try using your other ammo types next time and not just mindlessly spamming HE. You might also want to get range on a DM since you have the better gun arcs as a BB and therefore the better long range performance, they'll be less reliably railing you with the HE then.

[Lordcrafty]

Originally posted by Lord Nems:

Aimbot hack, game already has aim bot in it.
I've gotten a kraken before and I'm not that great. You just have to get killing hits, not even do that much damage

either you're new and this can be forgiven or you're a special breed of stupid. There are hacks for this game of course, one of the most notorious ones being nicknamed "chinese hydro" but they're there to confer an actual advantage to the player like showing the path of incoming shells(chinese hydro) or giving you a guide for where to aim on ships by showing you it's weak points. Aim bot would not confer any advantage to a player that has the basic ability to aim which is really easy to master honestly. This isn't your standard FPS game, you don't benefit from lightning fast reflexes or the ability to track rapidly moving objects.

[Lordcrafty]

Originally posted by POP:

i repaired the fire and it wasn't an issue.

repairing anything less than 3 fires (2 when bow in/out perfectly) is a mistake when you'll know you'll be under constant fire, under normal conditions repairing only 1 fire is a mistake. This is just in case that could have helped you survive longer

[Lordcrafty]

now about the DM's guns. The DM is known to have insanely good DPM and the ability to effectively translate it into damage, the Thunderer is also notoriously badly armoured for a BB and incredibly vulnerable when bow in to a ship like the DM, they simply abused your thin armour with that DPM due to the fact that they would have been landing penetration after penetration.

[Vencovsky]

No hacking or anything dude. Des moines just has in insane rate of fire. the fastest firing ship with 203 mm guns in the game. this allows it to pump out more potential damage than pretty much any other ship in the game. It's weakness lies in its pathetic armor. You should have been using AP on him. Pretty much any Battleship at that tier can overmatch anywhere on his ship, but because of its armor layout it doesnt get over penetrated that often so you can do huge 10-15K damage salvos even if he is at an angle. And if he does make the mistake of broadsiding any BB its not hard to hit him for 40K or even all of his HP in one salvo.

[Hiei]

Originally posted by Lordcrafty:

Originally posted by Lord Nems:

Aimbot hack, game already has aim bot in it.
I've gotten a kraken before and I'm not that great. You just have to get killing hits, not even do that much damage

either you're new and this can be forgiven or you're a special breed of stupid. There are hacks for this game of course, one of the most notorious ones being nicknamed "chinese hydro" but they're there to confer an actual advantage to the player like showing the path of incoming shells(chinese hydro) or giving you a guide for where to aim on ships by showing you it's weak points. Aim bot would not confer any advantage to a player that has the basic ability to aim which is really easy to master honestly. This isn't your standard FPS game, you don't benefit from lightning fast reflexes or the ability to track rapidly moving objects.

Seeing as how I've never seen you in the forms and given that I've been pretty active.
Never heard of this "Chinese hydro" or any hacks people claim to see
There *Are* Mods, however they almost all just affect the hud and UI
And all the ones I've seen that are helpful are things you already see in the game anyhow.
You can look and see incoming shells (theres a commander perk that does mostly the same thing anyways.)
Regardless, try not to pretend to be big, it makes you look small.
If you feel the need to insult someone about a game, try to grow up a little bit.

[Banzai]

You have to remember that des moines is a bit of a monster in the right hands. As was mentioned above - 4s or less reload on some rly punishing guns. I would fancy my chances in it vs anything in a 1v1, tho with Thunder (as per op) there is always a chance of Ap smashing right thru u. WASD hax ftw.

[Boomer]

Doesn't surprise me. I find the thunderer a touch soft, the Des Moines has good guns too