Pommern or Yoshino?

[Straight White Male]

For my first coal ship.

[Superczar]

With the semi-return of secondaries in 10.7 coming...

[juujbee]

Pommern is still pretty good do not have Yoshino

[Jackson]

Yoshino imo. Pom is ok, but just get Kurfurst. It's just plain better and it's free. Spend a few bucks and get the premium camo for it and it makes good money

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by Jack:

Yoshino imo. Pom is ok, but just get Kurfurst. It's just plain better and it's free. Spend a few bucks and get the premium camo for it and it makes good money

Pom is also technically free c;

Pommern also doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking which is a big bonus considering how many high DPM cruisers are at T10.

As for the OP's question, it really depends on your playstyle as they're complete polar opposites of a ship.

If you are fine with a cruiser with crappy armor that sits at 19-20 km HE spamming, then sure pick Yoshino. I personally find it very boring.

If you like brawling BB's, Pommern is really find if you go full secondaries. And I mean full secondaries (IFHE and the secondary module at slot 6). Ditch the main guns since they're pretty garbage. They're scheduled to be even better when the new commander skills buffs are coming next patch.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

Originally posted by Jack:

Yoshino imo. Pom is ok, but just get Kurfurst. It's just plain better and it's free. Spend a few bucks and get the premium camo for it and it makes good money

Pom is also technically free c;

Pommern also doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking which is a big bonus considering how many high DPM cruisers are at T10.

As for the OP's question, it really depends on your playstyle as they're complete polar opposites of a ship.

If you are fine with a cruiser with crappy armor that sits at 19-20 km HE spamming, then sure pick Yoshino. I personally find it very boring.

If you like brawling BB's, Pommern is really find if you go full secondaries. And I mean full secondaries (IFHE and the secondary module at slot 6). Ditch the main guns since they're pretty garbage. They're scheduled to be even better when the new commander skills buffs are coming next patch.

What's that about Pom not seeing T10 MM? It definitely does.

It IS also free of course, but it requires many hours of effort. If you have a job, GK's skin requires like an hour of effort. Depending of course :)

They are completely different. I was assuming OP wanted both styles since he asked. One is a BB, one is a CA.

[Straight White Male]

When are secondaries coming back, and for how long? :/

I can play both styles, I just don't want to invest in my first ship & have something get knee-capped again.

When they killed secondaries a while back, it killed some of my interest.
If they understand they screwed up & will bring them back & keep them, it will make my choice somewhat harder.

I do have a North Carolina setup for secondaries since it's 99% Massa.
As Jack said, I can work up to GK and be done with it on the German side too.

And I was so very close to buying a Thunderer when I lost interest.

From what I see on the wiki, the Yoshino only has 3 negatives while Pommern has 9.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Yoshino
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Pommern

One more thing............since I kinda suck & don't plan to play to "be the best", I'm looking for a solid ship that is fun, but won't put me in the poor house if you catch my drift.

What one is best for having an "OK" game?

[Banzai]

You will have more options with Pommern in a random match. It can tank, it can push, it can kite, while Yoshi has only a couple of tricks. Both are good but if you like how bismarck plays then would recommend Pommern.

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by Jack:

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

Pom is also technically free c;

Pommern also doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking which is a big bonus considering how many high DPM cruisers are at T10.

As for the OP's question, it really depends on your playstyle as they're complete polar opposites of a ship.

If you are fine with a cruiser with crappy armor that sits at 19-20 km HE spamming, then sure pick Yoshino. I personally find it very boring.

If you like brawling BB's, Pommern is really find if you go full secondaries. And I mean full secondaries (IFHE and the secondary module at slot 6). Ditch the main guns since they're pretty garbage. They're scheduled to be even better when the new commander skills buffs are coming next patch.

What's that about Pom not seeing T10 MM? It definitely does.

It IS also free of course, but it requires many hours of effort. If you have a job, GK's skin requires like an hour of effort. Depending of course :)

They are completely different. I was assuming OP wanted both styles since he asked. One is a BB, one is a CA.

I didn't say that it never sees T10 matchmaking, my words were "doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking". Meanwhile in GK's case its guaranteed.

Getting the GK requires hours of effort as well. It's over 800K total XP and around 70-90 Mil credits, depending on if you buy the other modules and upgrades, and clan discounts. Maybe if you're loaded with dragon flags and premium then yea its quick. Still would take a day or 2 at least, and that's if you're playing all day. But even then, not everyone has a crazy supply of those.

You can convert doubloons to free XP but by that point it's not exactly "free".

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

Originally posted by Jack:

What's that about Pom not seeing T10 MM? It definitely does.

It IS also free of course, but it requires many hours of effort. If you have a job, GK's skin requires like an hour of effort. Depending of course :)

They are completely different. I was assuming OP wanted both styles since he asked. One is a BB, one is a CA.

I didn't say that it never sees T10 matchmaking, my words were "doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking". Meanwhile in GK's case its guaranteed.

Getting the GK requires hours of effort as well. It's over 800K total XP and around 70-90 Mil credits, depending on if you buy the other modules and upgrades, and clan discounts. Maybe if you're loaded with dragon flags and premium then yea its quick. Still would take a day or 2 at least, and that's if you're playing all day. But even then, not everyone has a crazy supply of those.

You can convert doubloons to free XP but by that point it's not exactly "free".

Yes, GK is always top tier so is never down tiered... can't see that being bad!
Yes, grinding a line requires effort. Assuming you like the line, that's WHY you play though. If you are even thinking about Pom, it means you probably like that line - or at least the idea of it.

Credits aren't worth mentioning. You'll have them before the XP. I wouldn't call "premium" loaded. I'd call $10 a month "not wasting my time." But that's just me lol It would likely take a lot more than a day. As I said, you're playing for FUN. So play that line for fun. Unless it's not fun. In which case scratch Pom.

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by zantar:

When are secondaries coming back, and for how long? :/

I can play both styles, I just don't want to invest in my first ship & have something get knee-capped again.

When they killed secondaries a while back, it killed some of my interest.
If they understand they screwed up & will bring them back & keep them, it will make my choice somewhat harder.

I do have a North Carolina setup for secondaries since it's 99% Massa.
As Jack said, I can work up to GK and be done with it on the German side too.

And I was so very close to buying a Thunderer when I lost interest.

From what I see on the wiki, the Yoshino only has 3 negatives while Pommern has 9.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Yoshino
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Pommern

One more thing............since I kinda suck & don't plan to play to "be the best", I'm looking for a solid ship that is fun, but won't put me in the poor house if you catch my drift.

What one is best for having an "OK" game?

If they're going to be released as we saw on the test server now, they're even better than the original, for the Germans at least. Not only will a full secondary build only cost 7 captain points, the Germans will keep their extended range AND the 22% or something buff that they got before. Combo that with the captain skill, it'd be around 80%~ buff.

But of course with the release of submarines, brawling BB's have even less of a reason to push in. Not like there were already enough things keeping BB's away from moving forward lol.

I'd say save the coal and wait to see how the next patch unfolds before you pull the trigger.

[Straight White Male]

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

Originally posted by zantar:

When are secondaries coming back, and for how long? :/

I can play both styles, I just don't want to invest in my first ship & have something get knee-capped again.

When they killed secondaries a while back, it killed some of my interest.
If they understand they screwed up & will bring them back & keep them, it will make my choice somewhat harder.

I do have a North Carolina setup for secondaries since it's 99% Massa.
As Jack said, I can work up to GK and be done with it on the German side too.

And I was so very close to buying a Thunderer when I lost interest.

From what I see on the wiki, the Yoshino only has 3 negatives while Pommern has 9.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Yoshino
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Pommern

One more thing............since I kinda suck & don't plan to play to "be the best", I'm looking for a solid ship that is fun, but won't put me in the poor house if you catch my drift.

What one is best for having an "OK" game?

If they're going to be released as we saw on the test server now, they're even better than the original, for the Germans at least. Not only will a full secondary build only cost 7 captain points, the Germans will keep their extended range AND the 22% or something buff that they got before. Combo that with the captain skill, it'd be around 80%~ buff.

But of course with the release of submarines, brawling BB's have even less of a reason to push in. Not like there were already enough things keeping BB's away from moving forward lol.

I'd say save the coal and wait to see how the next patch unfolds before you pull the trigger.

Are subs coming out for sure?
Iirc, they tested them a while ago & it didn't pan out.
Could they not be placed in-game this time too?

If no subs again, I'd for sure get the Pomm tonight.
Turns out my North Carolina is not setup for secondaries, but my Gneisenau is.

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by Jack:

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

I didn't say that it never sees T10 matchmaking, my words were "doesn't always have to contend with T10 matchmaking". Meanwhile in GK's case its guaranteed.

Getting the GK requires hours of effort as well. It's over 800K total XP and around 70-90 Mil credits, depending on if you buy the other modules and upgrades, and clan discounts. Maybe if you're loaded with dragon flags and premium then yea its quick. Still would take a day or 2 at least, and that's if you're playing all day. But even then, not everyone has a crazy supply of those.

You can convert doubloons to free XP but by that point it's not exactly "free".

Yes, GK is always top tier so is never down tiered... can't see that being bad!
Yes, grinding a line requires effort. Assuming you like the line, that's WHY you play though. If you are even thinking about Pom, it means you probably like that line - or at least the idea of it.

Credits aren't worth mentioning. You'll have them before the XP. I wouldn't call "premium" loaded. I'd call $10 a month "not wasting my time." But that's just me lol It would likely take a lot more than a day. As I said, you're playing for FUN. So play that line for fun. Unless it's not fun. In which case scratch Pom.

Yes, it'll always be top tier. But it'll also have a much higher chance of facing the likes of Thunderers, Conquerors, Smolensks, Worcesters, Minotaurs, Austins, Colberts, DMs, Nevskys, Hinden, etc. I'm sure I missed some but I assume I got my point across. The power difference between T9 and T10 cruisers is massive and its not even a competition most of the time.

Yes, there are ways to deal with them but a ship like the GK, which has horrible gun angles, little to no overmatch potential, poorer accuracy by default if running secondaries, giant superstructure, and poor AA, it's not exactly fun. Pommern has the same issues and will have to deal with them from time to time but the key is that it doesn't happen all that often ever since they made the MM changes to T9 way back when.

I agree with what you said about grinding, but my point was more geared towards what you said earlier which was:

"It IS also free of course, but it requires many hours of effort. If you have a job, GK's skin requires like an hour of effort. Depending of course :)"

Kind of sounded like as if getting the GK didn't require effort either. But maybe it's just me misunderstanding you.

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by zantar:

Originally posted by Comrade Doggo:

If they're going to be released as we saw on the test server now, they're even better than the original, for the Germans at least. Not only will a full secondary build only cost 7 captain points, the Germans will keep their extended range AND the 22% or something buff that they got before. Combo that with the captain skill, it'd be around 80%~ buff.

But of course with the release of submarines, brawling BB's have even less of a reason to push in. Not like there were already enough things keeping BB's away from moving forward lol.

I'd say save the coal and wait to see how the next patch unfolds before you pull the trigger.

Are subs coming out for sure?
Iirc, they tested them a while ago & it didn't pan out.
Could they not be placed in-game this time too?

If no subs again, I'd for sure get the Pomm tonight.
Turns out my North Carolina is not setup for secondaries, but my Gneisenau is.

Subs are coming to live testing in ranked queues next patch. So you're safe for now if you only do randoms. But still, it's only a matter of time that they do get released. WG invested too much time and effort to back out now.

[Jackson]

In my opinion GK is better at 10 than Pom is at 9, but that's up to individual. It's one of my most played ships and I have 60% WR in it. Ohio came along and replaced it as my fav.... But It's VERY good.

[Comrade Doggo]

Originally posted by Jack:

In my opinion GK is better at 10 than Pom is at 9, but that's up to individual. It's one of my most played ships and I have 60% WR in it. Ohio came along and replaced it as my fav.... But It's VERY good.

It's ironically the same for me but a tier lower. I have 60% on my Pommern but ever since I got Georgia and been rocking it in ranked, its got me a 72% winrate.

Can't wait to get the Ohio, just waiting on the RB boost that's coming next month to re-grind out my last line.