Commander XP

[kamikazi21358]

Free XP I know is 5% of your total cost earned in a battle I believe, so the more XP you earn, the higher value your free XP will be.

Does Commander XP do a similar thing? Is the amount of commander XP earned directly related to the final amount of XP earned, or is it not effected by standard xp modifiers? Say if I put a 50% xp flag and a commander flag on the ship, will it effect commander xp more than if I just had the commander xp flag only?

[Jackson]

Yes it does. 5% like free xp goes to Elite xp. Once you have a 21 point commander all captain earned xp goes there which can be quite a lot if you buff it up with flags.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Jack:

Yes it does. 5% like free xp goes to Elite xp. Once you have a 21 point commander all captain earned xp goes there which can be quite a lot if you buff it up with flags.

Does the standard captain xp benefit from this too, or just the commander xp?

[Jackson]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by Jack:

Yes it does. 5% like free xp goes to Elite xp. Once you have a 21 point commander all captain earned xp goes there which can be quite a lot if you buff it up with flags.

Does the standard captain xp benefit from this too, or just the commander xp?

Two terms for the same thing really. Say you hear 1000 captain xp in a battle, your commander/captain earns 1000 and 50 goes into your Elite xp bucket. If your captain is 21 points (maxed) 1050 goes into your bucket.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Jack:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Does the standard captain xp benefit from this too, or just the commander xp?

Two terms for the same thing really. Say you hear 1000 captain xp in a battle, your commander/captain earns 1000 and 50 goes into your Elite xp bucket. If your captain is 21 points (maxed) 1050 goes into your bucket.

That is great. Although I have a problem though, which is I’m trying to get to that point, since I don’t have 21 point commanders yet.

I might be just getting confused, but what I was asking, was the non-elite commander xp — standard commander xp you earn (such as that 1,000 standard commander xp you gave as an example) — is that effected by the amount of total experience you earn like how free xp is effected?

Such as, if I earn 2,000 total xp during a battle, and I get that 1,000 commander xp (excluding elite commander xp), if I put bonuses on that xp earned — I put on +50% standard xp, +100% xp camo, etc. — will that effect the 1,000 standard commander xp I make? Or is commander xp stand alone to ship xp, and it is it’s own unit of commander xp + elite xp from the other xp made, and all I have to worry about when grinding a commander out, is purely just the commander xp flags and all?

[Nelsons other eye]

WoWarships Admiral [developer] 25 Aug @ 6:48pm
What your ship gets is generally called ShipXP or "XP with modifiers", and for sure premium (and other things) affect that. Nothing affects baseXP apart from performance in battle and +50% victory bonus.
So 1166 on that screenshot should be baseXP, while 1924 is XP with some of the modifiers(i.e. only premium time). The total ShipXP you (and your ship) got is 2308.
But yeah, the second post-battle tab (leaderboard) is usually the best way to glance at it.

BTW a reminder: everything that increases ShipXP — affects CommanderXP and FreeXP too.
So for example when you're farming FreeXP a camo with +100% XP and +50% FreeXP is better than camo with just +100% FreeXP.
So Type 5 (+200% XP) can be read as +200% ShipXP, +200% CommanderXP and +200% FreeXP.

So when going for BaseXP missions:
— pick one of the upper tiers: 7-10
— pick the ship that you're really good at
— +make a build (commander skills and upgrades) that works for you
— pick the mode like Random or Ranked
— play as well as you can
— pull your team to the victory until the very end
— well, and use at least some basic camouflage depending on your ship class

And another reminder that we have an English wiki: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Base_Earnings
Last edited by WoWarships Admiral; 25 Aug @ 10:06pm


That post helped me a lot

""So Type 5 (+200% XP) can be read as +200% ShipXP, +200% CommanderXP and +200% FreeXP.""

[Jackson]

Exactly this ^

Because of those multipliers, it's fairly easy to get 20,000 elite xp or even more in a battle. Of course it blows through your signal flags fast, but it accumulates fast and they work best when piled together.

[kamikazi21358]

I actually have to add a question now, if I read this right.

This is a battle in the Atago, mounting commander flags, but which also included a little XP flags too due to the above logic, but I noticed this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587721061
the base amount of commander XP before modifiers is equal to the amount of xp earned before modifiers. Meaning that the XP from the modifiers is not effecting the modifiers either.

Though I notice that "ship modifiers" is also total to the amount of XP modifiers from the standard XP earned.

So theoretically, this means that XP modifiers are NOT included with earned commander XP, until after those modifiers to commander XP are applied, meaning adding additional standard XP flags does not increase the efficiency of commander XP flags? Does this mean there is no reason to take XP-based flags in terms of earning commander XP?

[Nelsons other eye]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587730940

I haven't got the detailed report you have ( how do you get that btw)
But your xp does seem very low compared to mine when you obviously did way more damage to earn that amount of cash
Flagged and camo'd up I expect to get 40 to 50k commander xp easily


EDIT:
The flags do matter btw if i take my flags off i get 20-25k instead of 40k+

oic now it's down down menus :)

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Nelsons other eye:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587730940

I haven't got the detailed report you have ( how do you get that btw)
But your xp does seem very low compared to mine when you obviously did way more damage to earn that amount of cash
Flagged and camo'd up I expect to get 40 to 50k commander xp easily


EDIT:
The flags do matter btw if i take my flags off i get 20-25k instead of 40k+

It was a defeat by the way, probably why.

But to add:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587738941
My next battle - a victory so higher, but I took off some of the XP flags even due to the previous battle's findings. Only one flag that effected commander XP - which was 100% bonus - was removed due to scarcity and it's decent standard XP bonus (I want to save it for a tech tree ship then), otherwise the only XP bonus I believe should be the +50% from a special flag that has good Free/Commander XP bonuses, not even the standard +50% from premium camo because of it being replaced with a good commander xp camo.

Edit: also that must have been my daily win bonus too for Atago, since previous battle was defeat. But that is only +50% from one of the special flags, +50% from daily win, and the small % from clan bonuses, and these appear not to effect commander XP before modifiers.

My result is higher, though of course this was a victory, but the idea is the same - the amount of commander xp, is based off of the xp earned before modifiers, not final XP earned like free xp. While the final XP earned, (xp from modifiers), is added, not multiplied, under "ship bonuses", and thus does not effect commander xp flags.


I think commander XP then must work differently than free XP, where commander XP is not effected by bonuses, apart from the ship xp portion, which is of course not multiplied because it appears to be added after modifiers, not before.

[Nelsons other eye]

yep win / loss makes a big difference to xp
I only really bother with big commander xp for event missions normally
I tend to save all my good flags for those
140k comm xp looks a lot till you flag up and get it in 3 battles lol

[ex-Admiral]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Does Commander XP do a similar thing? Is the amount of commander XP earned directly related to the final amount of XP earned, or is it not effected by standard xp modifiers?

Yes and yes, it is affected.
Everything that increases regular XP (ShipXP) increases the total commanderXP too.

Without any modifiers you get as much CommanderXP as ShipXP, so for example 1000 ShipXP : 1000 CommanderXP : +50 FreeXP : +50% elite commanderXP.
With +50 XP signal = 1500 : 1500 : 75 : 75

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587721061

Though I notice that "ship modifiers" is also total to the amount of XP modifiers from the standard XP earned.

Yeah, that's where bonuses from +XP% are added. A little complicated when you glance over it, but again: you get as much CommanderXP as ShipXP (before CommanderXP modifiers are applied if you have any).
You can mouseover FreeXP value to see its modifiers too.

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

So theoretically, this means that XP modifiers are NOT included with earned commander XP, until after those modifiers to commander XP are applied, meaning adding additional standard XP flags does not increase the efficiency of commander XP flags? Does this mean there is no reason to take XP-based flags in terms of earning commander XP?

Note that all those modifiers are cumulative, not multiplicative, so it doesn't matter in which order they're applied.
The only exception is premium account — it's cumulative, so in short XP, FreeXP and CommanderXP get multiplied by 1.65 and credits by 1.5. Premium account is the very best investment in the game.

Again see wiki for all details:
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Base_Earnings
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Economics