As a BB player HE or AP

[n0xide]

Do take HE och AP in BB?

Do you change after a while in the current match?

Does it matter if you are uptired or not?

[[503]Stannis The Mannis]

depends on the situation, if the enemy is giving you broadside or you can overmatch their armor you use AP, if you can't pen them you use HE. You should be changing shells during the match and not sticking to one type

[Sidian]

Depends a lot on the BB you play. E.g. British battleships often have very good HE so you rarely want to use AP with those. But when playing a battleship that can overmatch the armor of most ships you encounter (like the Yamato or the Bayern), HE is only useful when there are only DDs left in the enemy team or you expect to encounter only DDs for a while, and AP is the way to go 99% of the time. And some battleships have very low HE damage values so you want to use AP with them almost all the time anyways.

In general, if you don't play one of these exceptions, you'll want to use AP most of the time and switch to HE when you either expect to shoot a lot at DDs or you are facing a lot of higher tier BBs that are angled and don't show you their broadside (and you don't have cruisers to shoot at).

[Nepgear]

I always use expert loader skill so I can try to always have the right shell for the right situation. Using only one or the other is handicapping yourself.

[AndVencovsky]

with odin and scharnhorst and other low caliber BBs i use mostly HE cause you bounce off everything T.T

[Bigg_Boomer]

It depends on the position of the Enemy and your play style. Typically with a BB's the reload time is so long it is not convenient to switch shell types back and forth so most people stick mostly with AP. I typically start my first volley with HE because I am usually 15k plus distance and the enemy ships are usually bow in toward my position. It's always nice to hit a BB at a distance, do a bit of damage, and start a fire. plus this often makes some BB players a little anxious. Also if you spot a DD close in for your first volley HE will typically do more damage as AP will likely just over pen.
After my first shot or two I will typically go to AP and remain there, only switching to HE if I get a lot of angled BB's keeping their distance. It's nice to hit a low health BB at a distance and watch him melt.

[Prizrak]

jk

[Asfalots der Sittenwart]

Originally posted by n0xide:

Do take HE och AP in BB?

Do you change after a while in the current match?

Does it matter if you are uptired or not?

First 1-3 Salvos in any game is always HE for me. Either your team spots a destroyer that got to ambitious, you can lob some really long range HE for chipdamage or you can force someone to repair so your cruisers can set him ablaze again or he repaired and you can start a permafire or two.
HE is really underutillised.

On extremely long range, AP really looses its value on most BBs I play, 280, 310 and 380 won't Cit on anything but a British Cruiser on max range, so you might as well start a fire.

Also, if you have Teammates you regulary play with you, informing eachother about an enemy that repaired also makes me consider firing HE, Permafires are a good damage tool.

[Reaper King]

Originally posted by AndVencovsky:

with odin and scharnhorst and other low caliber BBs i use mostly HE cause you bounce off everything T.T

No you do not use he with odin or schranhorst. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Yes Scharnhorts and odin have weak ap but their HE is is so bad that ap overpenn do more damage.If you get into combat with one of those two ships fire ap and then only focus on hitting weakpoints. Never fire he with german bbs.

[AndVencovsky]

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Originally posted by AndVencovsky:

with odin and scharnhorst and other low caliber BBs i use mostly HE cause you bounce off everything T.T

No you do not use he with odin or schranhorst. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Yes Scharnhorts and odin have weak ap but their HE is is so bad that ap overpenn do more damage.If you get into combat with one of those two ships fire ap and then only focus on hitting weakpoints. Never fire he with german bbs.

WRONG WRONG WRONG, sure their HE isnt great but a pen with HE will almost always do more damage than an overpen with AP, and that's considering you are even getting overpens, cause 90% of the time you shoot against BBs when they are angled (they almost always are because people arent stupid) you just get bounces which is 0 damage. I' rather get 1100 or so damage than 0 any day. But that's not even the main reason why HE isnt bad on them, it's cause of your secondaries... your secondaries alone don't start many fires and usually the enemy can keep it under control with DCP. but when you add in a few extra fires with your main guns you will easily burn people for half their hp in a minute. Example: other day in ranked i was brawling it out with a bismarck. just the 2 of us left. He was running from me and i was chasing him at full steam about 10 km away, he only used AP and i only used HE the whole time. Sure i only did like 15K damage with my main battery, but guess what. i killed him (he was at full HP) and i only lost some 10K of my own HP because all his shots bouned or overpenned. In the end i did like 20K damage with secondaries, some 15K with main guns and the rest was from fire. If i had been using AP i would've had a similar fate as the bismarck

[Reaper King]

Originally posted by AndVencovsky:

Originally posted by Reaper King:

No you do not use he with odin or schranhorst. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Yes Scharnhorts and odin have weak ap but their HE is is so bad that ap overpenn do more damage.If you get into combat with one of those two ships fire ap and then only focus on hitting weakpoints. Never fire he with german bbs.

WRONG WRONG WRONG, sure their HE isnt great but a pen with HE will almost always do more damage than an overpen with AP, and that's considering you are even getting overpens, cause 90% of the time you shoot against BBs when they are angled (they almost always are because people arent stupid) you just get bounces which is 0 damage. I' rather get 1100 or so damage than 0 any day. But that's not even the main reason why HE isnt bad on them, it's cause of your secondaries... your secondaries alone don't start many fires and usually the enemy can keep it under control with DCP. but when you add in a few extra fires with your main guns you will easily burn people for half their hp in a minute. Example: other day in ranked i was brawling it out with a bismarck. just the 2 of us left. He was running from me and i was chasing him at full steam about 10 km away, he only used AP and i only used HE the whole time. Sure i only did like 15K damage with my main battery, but guess what. i killed him (he was at full HP) and i only lost some 10K of my own HP because all his shots bouned or overpenned. In the end i did like 20K damage with secondaries, some 15K with main guns and the rest was from fire. If i had been using AP i would've had a similar fate as the bismarck

Yeah well I played plenty of ranked and randoms as well with my odin (500 battles in ranked) and I can tell you that when its me v another odin and they fire he I win and they die. But it really just comes down skill. If you can't aim at superstructures and vulnerable spots then yes he is better. But if you have a brain and have mastered the guns then the ap is the best choice every day. Hell I have done up to 20 k even against yammys. Your ap is as good as every super cruiser and better then every heavy cruiser and it does more damage. Your he isn't even a threat to dds. AP is simply better. In your case you won not because of skill and better amo selection but because your fighting a Bismarck. The single worst ship in the game.That ship has a massive hull so you can easily hit it and its secondarys are trash, and you're better off firing blindly as your accuracy will remain the same. Ap is the way to go every time you simply have to know what you're doing to make it work.

[AndVencovsky]

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Originally posted by AndVencovsky:

WRONG WRONG WRONG, sure their HE isnt great but a pen with HE will almost always do more damage than an overpen with AP, and that's considering you are even getting overpens, cause 90% of the time you shoot against BBs when they are angled (they almost always are because people arent stupid) you just get bounces which is 0 damage. I' rather get 1100 or so damage than 0 any day. But that's not even the main reason why HE isnt bad on them, it's cause of your secondaries... your secondaries alone don't start many fires and usually the enemy can keep it under control with DCP. but when you add in a few extra fires with your main guns you will easily burn people for half their hp in a minute. Example: other day in ranked i was brawling it out with a bismarck. just the 2 of us left. He was running from me and i was chasing him at full steam about 10 km away, he only used AP and i only used HE the whole time. Sure i only did like 15K damage with my main battery, but guess what. i killed him (he was at full HP) and i only lost some 10K of my own HP because all his shots bouned or overpenned. In the end i did like 20K damage with secondaries, some 15K with main guns and the rest was from fire. If i had been using AP i would've had a similar fate as the bismarck

Yeah well I played plenty of ranked and randoms as well with my odin (500 battles in ranked) and I can tell you that when its me v another odin and they fire he I win and they die. But it really just comes down skill. If you can't aim at superstructures and vulnerable spots then yes he is better. But if you have a brain and have mastered the guns then the ap is the best choice every day. Hell I have done up to 20 k even against yammys. Your ap is as good as every super cruiser and better then every heavy cruiser and it does more damage. Your he isn't even a threat to dds. AP is simply better. In your case you won not because of skill and better amo selection but because your fighting a Bismarck. The single worst ship in the game.That ship has a massive hull so you can easily hit it and its secondarys are trash, and you're better off firing blindly as your accuracy will remain the same. Ap is the way to go every time you simply have to know what you're doing to make it work.

20 K to a yammy? let me guess he was showing broadside? and aim at superstructure with AP?? what? so you can get overpens? nah man. I also got like 100s of battles in this ship and shooting targets head on does nothing. and yeah like you said, its guns are similar to other super cruisers, you use it on broadside targets... otherwise you use HE.

[Reaper King]

1st most big superstructures will arm shells. 2. Over penns still do far more damage then odin he. 3. You're an ambush bb using your great stealth and secondarys to murder at close range and catch people out. 4. Why on earth are you fighting a person who's angling. Just ignore them and fight an idiot who isnt.

[Asfalots der Sittenwart]

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Your he isn't even a threat to dds. AP is simply better.

Unless its a Khaba, your Odin AP deals max 940 damage x0,10 to a DD, while HE can strike for 1188 x0,33.
And HE can also deal fire + knock out modules, aa mounts etc more frequent.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by DrunkenVanguard:

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Your he isn't even a threat to dds. AP is simply better.

Unless its a Khaba, your Odin AP deals max 940 damage x0,10 to a DD, while HE can strike for 1188 x0,33.
And HE can also deal fire + knock out modules, aa mounts etc more frequent.

You're forgetting that damage saturation exists. If anybody else has hit that ship, your HE is going to do much less damage than that. AP overpens are, to my knowledge, not affected by damage saturation.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Reaper King:

In your case you won not because of skill and better amo selection but because your fighting a Bismarck. The single worst ship in the game.That ship has a massive hull so you can easily hit it and its secondarys are trash

Sigh. Not even gonna bother trying to explain how laughably wrong you are with that statement.