Are cruisers just targets ?

[endlessBoogie]

In every match the majority of ships are battleships, I even had matches in which I was the only cruiser. No carrier, 2-3 destroyers and all the rest just battleships.

I don´t see what kind of advantage it holds to justify playing this class, I am currently at level 6 with german cruisers and as soon as a battleship aims at me i can pretty much just leave the game. Btw yes I try to stay on max range and change course and speed but it doesnt work most of the time, because there are so many battleships
So, is there a reason to go on with cruisers, or should i just start playing battleships because those are easier to play?

[Paul]

My main ship is also a german cruiser the roon and yes it took alot of hours to get there and i too lost heart for the cruiser. It was at this point i needed a hard look at self and a great explanation on the value of cruisers from a guy named ryuu hes probly around here someplace and can explain way better than i but just hang in there the cruiser is well worth it at t9 its a blast.

[imrahil2]

Well tbh a new BB line was just released with has inflated the numbers. BBs are the most played ship type but it usually isnt that great a difference. At higher tiers most all the cruisers are pretty good. T10 cruisers overall are quite strong. In the middle tiers it takes a while to learn good positioning and awareness to shine. I like the Nurnberg myself even though it is squishy. One of the keys is not only using the range to dance around but use the terrain to make sure only a few BBs have a chance to shoot. It's also important to know when to go dark and not fire. Priority target is a great skill for this to know when you are being targetted.

[PoP]

I for one play BB's and rarely some of the others. I Appreciate Cruisers and Destroyers without them a BB is very disadvanteged against a team with just a couple decent DD and Cruiser players. I have tried both, and stink horribly with them. I fear and hate HE spamming Cruisers, and even some DD's are pretty good at this also behind cover denying access to an area on the map.

The main problem is total lack of team work in random play. I as opposed to the majority of BB players try to keep reasonably close to my DD, Cruiser players to stay alive against enemy DD, Cruisers. Most players do not follow or seem to understand their ships role in a game. High tier 9 10 seem to be better about this, and especially clan, and ranked battle mode.

I for one hope you stay and become a proficient player in your favorite class as ALL are very much needed for sucess.

[Wendersnaven]

The current cruiser meta is to sit behind an island and go pew-pew with HE. Not my idea of engaging gameplay or battle. I have a t5 cruiser (or higher) in most Nations, and the majority of them are floating citadels- some even from the front.

To answer your question OP, yes. If you aren't hiding (and thereby not supporting your team) you are pretty much fodder unless miracles happen.

[kilen]

Perso, I prefer CA... compared with BB (except BC like Hood t7 or Scharnorst t7, with good manoeuvrability and speed, etc).
It’s more technical and more fun or polyvalent with BC/CA/CL/DD-gunboats than classic BB.
In my 12ships, 3 are BBs only and not my priority to increase gameplay with... (compared with 5 CAs, 3DDs and 1CV)

Except ♥♥♥ BB like Fuso t6, others don’t interest me much.
Polyvalent CA are more fun/challenging (or DD-torpedoboats ! But that’s for stealth and flirt with detectability limits, etc).
Like French CA line, best of all until tier5 (Emile Bertin t5 is excellent !)... @OP: I am not surprised u feel disappointed by ger CA line, I was also (Karlsruhe t4 is a bit poor, didn’t get more far with German CAs).

But If I must pic one ship, I probably go for a CA with torps or a DD, denying BBs for sure.

And about rate of BBs, I get one time (on 250 battles since I started early this month) plenty of BBs (9) without CA and 1CV + 2DDs.
All others was pretty balanced...
Usually it’s between 3 & 6 BBs per team in my XP’s, not more.
So, I felt it pretty logical like this in fact...

[chaosbringer42]

Cruisers are probably the best damage dealing class, and playing island hide and seek works wonders against the horde of zombie battleships. Just keep racking up those fires :D.

[CMDR Sweeper]

Cruisers main task against a BB is to keep the range and focus on setting fires.
Naturally, avoid presenting your broadside to a BB, that is like asking for a citadel hit that can quickly leave you wishing you were somewhere else.

[Pinkelf [Ryshai]]

Origineel geplaatst door endlessBoogie:

In every match the majority of ships are battleships, I even had matches in which I was the only cruiser. No carrier, 2-3 destroyers and all the rest just battleships.

I don´t see what kind of advantage it holds to justify playing this class, I am currently at level 6 with german cruisers and as soon as a battleship aims at me i can pretty much just leave the game. Btw yes I try to stay on max range and change course and speed but it doesnt work most of the time, because there are so many battleships
So, is there a reason to go on with cruisers, or should i just start playing battleships because those are easier to play?

If you're playing a german cruiser, you have a huge sign on you that says I HAVE CARDBOARD FOR ARMOR. I play Nurnberg and I get disheartened easily from just dying so fast. It's hard to grind German cruisers.

[chaosbringer42]

Origineel geplaatst door PinkelfRyshai, Holo's Daughter:

Origineel geplaatst door endlessBoogie:

In every match the majority of ships are battleships, I even had matches in which I was the only cruiser. No carrier, 2-3 destroyers and all the rest just battleships.

I don´t see what kind of advantage it holds to justify playing this class, I am currently at level 6 with german cruisers and as soon as a battleship aims at me i can pretty much just leave the game. Btw yes I try to stay on max range and change course and speed but it doesnt work most of the time, because there are so many battleships
So, is there a reason to go on with cruisers, or should i just start playing battleships because those are easier to play?

If you're playing a german cruiser, you have a huge sign on you that says I HAVE CARDBOARD FOR ARMOR. I play Nurnberg and I get disheartened easily from just dying so fast. It's hard to grind German cruisers.

Yeah personally for days where battleships are everywhere I tend to use an american cruiser, the ability to play mortar assault over islands helps drastically in keeping yourself alive.

[endlessBoogie]

So after all there is no reason to choose cruisers instead of battleships or destroyers...

Running away from every fight or sitting behind an island doesn´t sound like fun tbh and it doesn´t realy help when I am one of the last ships while the enemy has only Battleships left... which happens a lot lately.

I get relative good scores 700-1500+ xp and 70k-130k credits, but in those tight battles it feels like I can´t realy help my team.

[Ryuu]

Origineel geplaatst door imrahil2:

Well tbh a new BB line was just released with has inflated the numbers.

^ This. Just take a break till French campaign ends. Several cruisers can together deal with 1 battleship quite quickly.
Try other classes, you'll see how some cruiser players can make your ship into toast :) Remember, playing as other classes also teaches you how to play against them.

And in general his post is helpful and on point.


Battleships are your anti-class, you don't want to deal with them alone, hit and run, set fires and stop shooting to get unspotted, help finishing off crippled ships, shoot down planes. And of course shoot spotted destroyers, or even pursue them if they are alone, just be careful.

Origineel geplaatst door chaosbringer42:

Cruisers are probably the best damage dealing class, and playing island hide and seek works wonders against the horde of zombie battleships. Just keep racking up those fires :D.

Well, judging by emblem requirements Aircraft Carriers deal the most damage, then Battleships, followed by Cruisers, with a measly requirement of 64k avg dmg for T10 destroyers!
Though judging by contest results BBs and CAs are approximately even in damage performance.
Also those are just raw numbers, veterans know it's more correct to measure performance in " %of enemy HP pool taken", but there's no way to see it except manually from post-battle results. Though i've seen a tool that can analyse results from replay files.

[Ryuu]

So once again:

destroyers for survival rely on low visibility and maneuverability + speed

cruisers rely on maneuverability + speed + distance + positioning, while also being less visible than battleships, so they can outrun and hide from them too

battleships rely on armor, and on positioning, since they mostly lack other things, hard to run, hard to hide.

Also see here, don't want to repeat myself: http://steamcommunity.com/app/552990/discussions/0/1698293703766353888/#c2949168687315146452

IMHO cruisers are the most challenging to git gud class, and i'm not ashamed to say i suck at them

[Meskalyne]

Cruiser's mission is to defend BB and CV from birds since you have heavy AA, and tracking down DD's. You have torps (mostly) to prevent a closer BB, or you can kite them with more speed and maniability.
I main cruisers too, in the french line. (Heavy fire rate)