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Last I heard, she was sunk on her first offensive operation and never got the chance to raid any convoys...
i did not type the full sentence it should of said she would sink too many cargo ships.
and yes she was the most powerful battleship on the seas during WWII of that period in the British fleet it was the Hood that was the pride of her fleet which by the way got sunk by the Bismarck in one single engagement she got hit by the 1st or 2nd salvo and completely blown up and vanished.
watch the videos i supplied and hear the words said by commentators and navy admirals are you saying they was wrong to say that the Bismarck was the most powerful ship afloat i mean who are you to say they are wrong as they are the professionals as sea admirals even the first lord said and winston churchall that Bismarck was the most powerful ship afloat are you saying they are wrong too.
You need to catch up on history my friend.
HMS Hood was not a battleship, she was a battlecruiser, and a rather old one at this point.
If we were to compare anything to the Bismark, then it would be HMS Prince of Wales, which was a battleship (King-George-V class), and comparably modern.
You are correct about the HMS Hoods Class but if you read what i typed i did not claim she was a Battleship Class in fact i did not name her class.
But the fact of it was that the Hood was still a very powerful ship Regardless of her age with very good guns but sadly her guns did not have the range unlike Bismarck's Guns did all Bismarck had to do was stay out of the Hoods range and fire her Guns to sink the Hood.
It was one of Bismarck's shells that struck the Hood in her weapon storage bays that caused her to blow up.
I Typed... In the British fleet it was the Hood that was the pride of her fleet which by the way got sunk by the Bismarck.
but for the sake of history and the facts the prince of wales was in the same Engagement sailing with the Hood and was badly hit by Bismarck in the same engagement and was forced to retreat from Battle before she would get sunk by the Bismarck HMS Prince of wales made smoke and sailed away back to port....now is anyone going to split hairs of silly things.
Please feel free to add comments but try to be correct read what is typed and watch the real life videos of those events that took place in WWII i have supplied some real life footage and commentary of the Bismarck and other ships involved in hunting the Bismarck down.
You didn't start a new sentence like you did now. That leaves a lot of room for interpretation, and your sentence strongly suggested you consider Hood the most powerful unit on the UK side at the time, which she clearly wasn't.
But English isn't my first language either, so I'll take it that wasn't what you meant.
At any rate, the outcome of that particular battle was not really decided by the relative weight of the combatants, as the British had the edge here, all things considered.
In the end, it came down to a lot of luck on the German side, scoring many critical hits early in the battle, as well as their superior gunnery drills.
The Germans used ladder firing drills (not sure if this is the correct term in English), which means during range finding volleys, the guns of a single turret all used different elevations.
The British on the other hand used the same elevation on all guns of a turret during rangefinding volleys.
This meant that the Germans did need a lot less volleys to get accurate ranging, as each volley basically gave them 3 data points, where the British only got one data point per volley.
Prinz Eugen scored her first hit with her 4th volley, while the first hit by the British wasn't until their 7th volley.
Bismark scored her fatal hit on Hood on her 5th volley, and it was bad luck for the Hood that she had begun to turn (which Bismark didn't know when firing), otherwise that volley might actually have missed entirely.
Let's compare a ship that would pulverize Bismarck in a 1v1 shall we?
Starting with the Iowa class battleships.
USS Iowa is faster than the Bismarck by 3 knots. This is important as it means that the ship can dictate the engagement however it wants by effectively kiting the Bismarck or chasing it down. Couple that with the fact the Iowa also outranges the Bismarck by 3km, the Iowa can basically rain down shells on its adversary without any fear of retaliation.
The Iowa also has a vastly superior radar system that is very famous of how accurate it was at the time. The Bismarck on the other hand suffers from a fatal flaw in the placement of its own radar, which as seen in battle was knocked out just by the recoil of its own guns, severly hampering its visual range.
And like as if those advantages weren't enough, even if the Iowa "let" the Bismarck get in range to shoot, it will still find itself out-gunned. Iowa's 406mm 1,225 kg "super-heavy" AP shells firing from sets of 9 are superior to Bismarck's 380mm 800 kg AP shells from sets of 8.
You could argue that the Bismarck has a thicker armor scheme, but even that has some major flaws that proved fatal in battle. I'm paraphrasing here:
"The Bismarcks had a very similar layout to the WW1 Baden-class, which carried the armour deck (with a distinctive ‘turtleback’) very low. This seemed to offer excellent protection for keeping shorter-range shellfire out of the machinery spaces and magazines, but it meant that critical services - like the power and signal cables for the gun turrets - ran above the deck armour, allowing them to be quickly cut in action. As, indeed, happened in Bismarck’s final battle where her guns were rapidly silenced without her scoring a single hit."
I'm not even going to get to the Yamato as that's not even a contest....
To conclude, the Bismarck was the most powerful battleship between the European powers.
But is it the greatest among all the battleships that existed in WW2? No, not by a longshot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQpa4jKS2C0
The thing to consider is hood was more of a show pony and I'm not even sure how much if any combat experince they had. The armor flaw was known and she was (If I remember correctly) Already on her way to get a refit and get that very spot armored. Obviously Bismark was a great early WW2 battleship, no doubt about that. I would not call it the best though.
That being said, I'd say that any of the fast battleships or the US navy or the likes of Yamato and Mushashi would have shredded Bismarck in battle more than likely, unless she would have been refitted later on in the war.
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I believe when the top brass said that Bismarck was the most deadly ship afloat i believe they was meaning of all the ships that was operating in the Atlantic ocean and not the Pacific as ♥♥♥ navy did not operate in the Atlantic and vice versa.
but it is still a historic fact that if Bismarck was not sunk England would of lost WWII and that could of changed many future events as Hitler would only have to fight on 1 front the East against Russia and no doubt would of won his Eastern Campaign and what of the Americans they came into the war after pearl harbour was attacked but would they of still gone to war knowing the British has lost the war and no British navy or french navy any longer and Russia.
America would be standing alone under such circumstances with a war against Germany, Japan, Italy so i doubt America would of declared war on japan if she stood alone with no allies to join forces with after Pearl harbour was attacked keeping in mind the American people did not want to go to war that is until Pearl Harbour was attacked so England stood alone up to that point and the first and only country i believe that declared war on Germany from the very start of the war because Germany marched into Poland.
So you can see we do not know what would of happened if Bismarck was not sunk but i know this much if she was not sunk i would be talking German now just like the rest of the world would be as Germany would rule the entire world.
So Bismarck was the best German ship in the Atlantic that could of won WWII for Hitler by destroying British Convoys and forcing England into submission and England surrendering to the Germans so you can see why she was such a threat to the British.
Any ships of any other nation such as japan, do not matter as they would never meet on the sea let alone battle each other as Germany and japan was allied to each other.
Same with America they operated the Pacific ocean with most of her navy.
an intresting fight though would be between the vanguard and bismark.
vanguard being built at the end of world war 2 with leasons learned in world war 2..........seeing a theme here where we build a ship that is great for the war it was built for then to be obsolete within the decade.
hoods experince .............is well i am not gonna lie her experince is the following
she shot the Dunkerque while it was in port after refusing the ultimatum the royal navy gave the french navy. that is it now she did do damage but thats all the combat she saw before denmark. (4 shells hit and dunk was forced to beach herself or be sunk)
It's good to remember that in the final engagement Rodney in her 2nd volley disabled 2 turrets with one shell. That in and of itself is a design flaw. Only minutes later she sent an AP shell right through the bridge killing 70 odd crew and most of the leadership. Yes, Bismarck was an easier target because she was not moving, but Rodney had excellent gun crews and powerful guns.
It's all a moot point tho, because if Bismarck had survived that one single torpedo that doomed her, the allies would have sunk her with aircraft anyway. The same thing that happened to almost every other Axis battleship.
And as far as the Hood goes, yes, she was the pride of the British fleet, but she was old, under armored and not up the engagement even if that shot was a freak shot. Because just like every other British battlecruiser, Hood didn't have protection against 15" in shells in a number of areas. As a historian in one of my books put it - and I paraphrase, "The British sent an elderly under armored warship against one of the most powerful, modern and technologically sophisticated battleships in the world with predictable results.
Firstly British cargo ships was sailing alone across the Atlantic and Germany had to force England to sail her cargo ships in convoys with warship escorts such as destroyers,cruisers
So this involved German Uboats attacking the cargo ships that sailed alone so to force England to change into convoys with better protection...that was the first stage completed.
The 2nd stage of this plan was to have as many German Battleships laying in wait to ambush the convoys after getting the location of the convoys from the German Uboats ahead of time and in the meantime the German Uboats would be hunting in packs what was called wolf packs sinking as many cargo ships as they can.
The Bismarck was made with this in mind she was perfect for this operation.