Does winrate matter?

[Eclipse]

My friend and I had been debating about it,my friend thinks that winrate is the priority thing to consider if a player is good but I think average exp/damage is the priority?

[Ruka Erika ♥️🐿]

You can kill 7 enemies and still lose, win rate is a joke with random battle RNG but a better player will win more., exp and average damage makes more sense. Along with objective play like caps .

https://youtu.be/M8Rw71KFiJw
https://youtu.be/SRTMxVv8jnQ
Examples of pretty amazing gameplay yet still losing because of random factors.

[kingjames488]

sounds like your friend hasn't played very many games with teams of more than a couple people...

[David Davidson]

Winrate doesn't matter as you can always play well and still get stuck with a terrible team.
To give a recent example, there was a cruiser left on the enemy team and a DD with half health on ours, he had almost capped the enemy's point but ran away because the cruiser started blindfiring into his smoke screen.
Was almost exactly like wargaming's "never cap never surrender" video

[Ryuu]

Yes, it does, check mine Almost enterily solo.

Means your friend understands sometimes decisions that hardly bring any XP and damage DO affect winrate as well. Counterarguments are potato excuses. For 10 battles it's luck and teams, for 100 on one ship - it really shows your mastery at using it effectively. Good player is able to compensate teammates mistakes to some degree, even though he can't win in 100% of battles.

[juanxlink]

Considering you have like 8% off the final result attached to you squarely, no?

[KingBuki]

Solo winrate , yes
division winrate, far less

I' m a solo player (miyamotosama) like ryuu and i managed to reach 56% WR recently and i play everything (mostly DD and CA/CL) exept CV ( tried a bit but not for me).

Imo the most solo WR is high the most you have knowledge that you can apply to shift the balance for your team.

[imrahil2]

Does win rate matter? Well it depends on how you value it. For some players it is important and for others not as much. Imo it's the best metric over the long term to judge overall solo player skill. There are many small things that damage, xp, etc dont reward as much or at all but which contribute to winning the match. For instance you could have one player using a particular cruiser who has high average damage but w/r isn't that great because they farm lots of damage off of bbs. Whereas another player in the same cruiser prioritizes nuking the enemy dds and has much lower average damage but higher w/r due to more influence in the match. Long term these disctinctions show up.

Edit: Additionally, I found LittleWhiteMouses guide on controlling winrate to be pretty helpful. Check it out if you are seeking to improve. https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/75077-how-to-control-your-win-rate/

[kingjames488]

Początkowo opublikowane przez KingBuki:

Solo winrate , yes
division winrate, far less

I' m a solo player (miyamotosama) like ryuu and i managed to reach 56% WR recently and i play everything (mostly DD and CA/CL) exept CV ( tried a bit but not for me).

Imo the most solo WR is high the most you have knowledge that you can apply to shift the balance for your team.

I don't consider myself a great player and my winrate is around 50%... that's the statistical average lol. that mean's you're 3% above average.

[Shadow_Warrior]

In my experiance win rate is depend on luck because in lots of my best matches i take achievement of "karken unleashed" with 150K damage but lose the match because of poor team mates . Sometimes we lose because of not caping areas . In my recent match i destroyed 2 enemy ships with nagato , rest of my team is also played well but and in the last we going to capture enemy base and all my team mates comes at enemy base and all remaining enemies go to our base and they capture our base before us result is we lose .

[KingBuki]

Początkowo opublikowane przez king(strange)james488:

Początkowo opublikowane przez KingBuki:

Solo winrate , yes
division winrate, far less

I' m a solo player (miyamotosama) like ryuu and i managed to reach 56% WR recently and i play everything (mostly DD and CA/CL) exept CV ( tried a bit but not for me).

Imo the most solo WR is high the most you have knowledge that you can apply to shift the balance for your team.

I don't consider myself a great player and my winrate is around 50%... that's the statistical average lol. that mean's you're 3% above average.

If you think it's that much easy to reach 56 %, why aren't you 60% already ...
Yes it matter even having 53% Wr mmean you have a positive impact on most of your game ....
Never forget this game is 12 vs 12 in random and you have far more work to do for achieving above 55% solo winrate ....

and those 56 % winrate are all across my ship an Tier so i could clearly make it to 60% just by one trick pony one of my best ship but i don't caus mainly i want to have fun

[kingjames488]

Początkowo opublikowane przez KingBuki:

Początkowo opublikowane przez king(strange)james488:

I don't consider myself a great player and my winrate is around 50%... that's the statistical average lol. that mean's you're 3% above average.

If you think it's that much easy to reach 56 %, why aren't you 60% already ...
Yes it matter even having 53% Wr mmean you have a positive impact on most of your game ....
Never forget this game is 12 vs 12 in random and you have far more work to do for achieving above 55% solo winrate ....

and those 56 % winrate are all across my ship an Tier so i could clearly make it to 60% just by one trick pony one of my best ship but i don't caus mainly i want to have fun

because the difference between 53%, 56%, and 60% is more like the difference between 6%, 12%, and 20%... and you progress by pure luck.

[KingBuki]

Początkowo opublikowane przez king(strange)james488:

Początkowo opublikowane przez KingBuki:

If you think it's that much easy to reach 56 %, why aren't you 60% already ...
Yes it matter even having 53% Wr mmean you have a positive impact on most of your game ....
Never forget this game is 12 vs 12 in random and you have far more work to do for achieving above 55% solo winrate ....

and those 56 % winrate are all across my ship an Tier so i could clearly make it to 60% just by one trick pony one of my best ship but i don't caus mainly i want to have fun

because the difference between 53%, 56%, and 60% is more like the difference between 6%, 12%, and 20%... and you progress by pure luck.

lol ok look closely to wowsnumber and my stat and tell thats is pure luck.
Uou just deny that ppl are better than other but ok MM is only pure luck being an unicum is only luck ....

My stats don't lie they are mainly equal at all tiers and type of ships, stat don't lie if it was random as tyou think everybody would have more or les the same % WR

And having game on regular basis where i kill 1/4 of the enemy team is only luck Mmm ok

how much delusional are you ?

And i try harded, if didn't i would have been surely around 50% thinking that is pure luck...

[Jackson]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Aokaze:

My friend and I had been debating about it,my friend thinks that winrate is the priority thing to consider if a player is good but I think average exp/damage is the priority?

You're both partly right. You can't rely on either. Average xp/damage can easily be padded by playing all or mostly high level ships. WR is harder to pad.. But it is easier to do that at lower tiers where the ships are not as balanced.

In my opinion WR will tell all. Sure, you can be stuck in a horrible team, but it's just as likely you'll be stuck with a really good team cancelling it out.

[imrahil2]

Początkowo opublikowane przez king(strange)james488:

Początkowo opublikowane przez KingBuki:

If you think it's that much easy to reach 56 %, why aren't you 60% already ...
Yes it matter even having 53% Wr mmean you have a positive impact on most of your game ....
Never forget this game is 12 vs 12 in random and you have far more work to do for achieving above 55% solo winrate ....

and those 56 % winrate are all across my ship an Tier so i could clearly make it to 60% just by one trick pony one of my best ship but i don't caus mainly i want to have fun

because the difference between 53%, 56%, and 60% is more like the difference between 6%, 12%, and 20%... and you progress by pure luck.

Over a small sample there is greater chance of variation, however when you are talking 100s and 1000s of battles, you can see the true skill level of players to influence matches in their favor. No unicum can influence every match to a win but they can influence matches that are more on the edge of defeat towards a win. Just as an example say 40% of all matches you play will be a loss even if you play really well, and 40% will be a win with no regard to your influence, while the remaining 20 % hinge on your influence. Those who can influence the 20% of matches that are changeable will show in their stats. Generally the superunicums can get up to maybe a 70% solo win rate (excluding CVs as they can get a bit higher) while most other players will be somewhere between say 40% to 70% win rate.

[jim]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Schlomo Shekelshoastein:

Winrate doesn't matter as you can always play well and still get stuck with a terrible team.
To give a recent example, there was a cruiser left on the enemy team and a DD with half health on ours, he had almost capped the enemy's point but ran away because the cruiser started blindfiring into his smoke screen.
Was almost exactly like wargaming's "never cap never surrender" video

What is a terrible team? There come new players every day!
I have played less than a week. You can't expect me to be as good as you are!
People usually play after there experience level.
I am quite sure everyone do as good as they can, and their luck allows.
Luck is a more importent factor, the never you are.
For me i try to get as much damage points as i can. The rules as quite confusing still, though i do know about conquering areas
Guess there are many like me out there

My third battle against human players i consider as my best. I have got better price later but
this iss what luck can do. At right place in right time. This is in Black Swan a tier 1 cruiser:

http://prntscr.com/jym0v4

Note that this is not a standard battle to me