How to win a race!

[Blackboro]

Something's wrong with the balance of the game play.
Sorry things aren't going so well.
since update 1.0.07 and 1.0.08

No need a skipper in the boat. Just router tracking. No need to know how to helm, how to catch and surf a wave, how to follow the wind angle. No need to know his boat, the sea.

With each disconnection it is 300 meters that evaporate. To end up doing nautical miles and nautical miles and nautical miles....

Run straight through his router and that's it?
but yes I want a NMEA, but I need too have too keep my hand on the helm. when I'm on the boat.

Welcome to Virtual Regata??? Noooooooooooo please nooooooooooo

MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY

At the same time, the world is becoming more and more beautiful, more and more "realistic" or accurate. As possible as we can have on a PC. (Hope Richard will be able to put the tide)

Give us back, give us the tools to exploit and explore it:

I want what I learned during those long sleepless nights to serve me at sea. (thank Sailaway and Richard & the team dev/ support ) And not just following a router and having to let a PC turn on just to avoid losing miles.

I want to play a sail simulation, not a kid's game from apple store or android store!!!

this is my opignon after 20 days on the Leg 6 of the VOR
RDV for the leg 7 too see the1.0.09 or 1.0.10!

"Work hard, play hard
Learn hard, sail hard
We work hard, play hard "
David Guetta on sea!


edit:
Ps: for new people who just buy Sailaway or want to buy it
it is a debate of "expert", of old sea wolves, of passionata, which nitpicks on possible adjustments to be made.
Sailaway is, remains a good and beautiful sailing simulation

[Blackboro]

Ps : I'm still in love with Sailaway

[elpatron]

As I won my last official long race being on board only for less than 5 minutes, I stopped wasting my time with these races. Long(er) races are about routing only.

It's still nice to be on board for some time, but it doesn't make your boat faster in any way. I support this attempt to change the game balance. There should be a handicap for offline sailing.

[XRAY38]

Hello Black
If you want to have a real sailing simulation, go in a yatch club and make a real boat, because no sailing simulation will give you the feeling to pull on the winches ,to have your hands gnawed by salt and sleepless nights, for what is the game the short regattas ok that it is in manual , for the long stages this is impossible because we all have a real life and we must not stick to our computer 24 hours a day that's why I'm against a penalty for offline play ,and as for routers it's pure tactics that is put forward and weather knowledge, you know my black point of view it's totally different from yours

XRAY38

[Blackboro]

Xray ?
I am also against an unfair advantage, either for those who are online or offline.
I'm not talking about feeling, I'm talking about knowledge.

and who complains when his boats "systematically" deviate by 1 or 2° after less than a minute?
Who complains about the auto-pilot?

[XRAY38]

black ,i'm just telling you ok for the manual for short races for long crossings it's impossible. you know as well as i the autopilot it's crap. it's unreliable, i'm just telling you you'll never feel like you're on a boat with a simulation....and if you want to have this ecstasy there you will have it only in the real life, sailaway is only a game ,Qtvlm or Squid of the routers without these software 60% of the players, would be in the bottom of the classification, personally ,it would not bother me not to have to use these software there, but as everyone uses it so I don't want to stay away from it, but once again black t want to go sailing ,go to the slippery and you're going to get your foot, that's why I never play manual because the game does not bring me anything

[Blackboro]

Read again!

[XRAY38]

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[Green Death]

Richard spoke about being able to increase/decrease penalties for offline sailing. My suggestion would be to make this an option for race creators so they can set the penalty level themselves.

Any arbitrary penalty for offline racing, if applied across the board to all events, would likely kill long distance races. Most people simply can't spend hundreds of hours online in order to be competetive.

[Nomad]

I think you guys are missin the point here. And I'm pretty sure Blackboro is not talking primarily about the offline mode. In fact I don't believe he is talking about it at all.

What he is talking about is online racing now. The changes that have been made in the last two patches and how they have affected things for manual control of the boat.

What I take exception to is being railroaded into using autosail because it is simply better now than doing anything manual.

Why?
1. The Oscillations of the wind are too extreme and too quick now. I've always disliked this aspect of the game anyway, even in it's pre-patch state. 30+ degree osciallation on rails and then with a little variation is b.s
2. The wind speed variation at the top of the range are way too quick for me to react.
3. The polars / handling seem to have changed a little.

Therefore, I can no longer fine tune the boat or gain more speed than an offline or another competitor on AUTOSAIL by doing so. Whereas I could in the past.

Due to these changes it is also not viable to surf the waves as I once did and gain an advantage.

So in summary, if I can't do what the AUTO can do BUT better, why the hell am I sitting here watching the world go by ...

I have become a tactician and navigator but I lose out on the advantages I could gain from taking manual control from time to time.

This is nothing to do with offline (although I could write a line or three about that too)

P.S I am busy now but I will open a new thread to discuss all the issues I have with this simulator and I will write a proper summary there when I have time.

Regards
Nomad

[XRAY38]

I agree with nomad

[SailorMade]

Originally posted by elpatron:

As I won my last official long race being on board only for less than 5 minutes, I stopped wasting my time with these races. Long(er) races are about routing only.

It's still nice to be on board for some time, but it doesn't make your boat faster in any way. I support this attempt to change the game balance. There should be a handicap for offline sailing.

Elpatron ... in real life you don't put the autopilot for sleep, for lunching with friends, ... for just been relaxed in the boat?

Why an handicap for that? Beeing offline isn't the same that being with autopilot in real life?

Are you going to be permanently online in a 20-30 days challenge just for not loosing artificially time?

Don't get the point!

Cheers

Peter

[Graubart]

OP claims that atm autopilot while being offline achieves better results than a sailor could possibly achieve manually. While I can't judge this, it should indeed not be the case, as there must be an advantage of sailing manual. This does also apply to long races, where those sailing manually should be able to perform better than those on autopilot.

BUT, this would only apply to really good sailors, who know how to trim their boat properly and how to take advantage of the conditions (eg surfing the waves).

In any case, the weather system as of now and the autopilot behaviour do need some more love by the developers, and I am pretty sure they are aware of it and have it on their agenda.

[Tangent]

Another thing OP brings up that is important but lost in this discussion: there is a difference between autosail while online, and autohelm while offline.

For some reason, the online-autosail adjustments are far more quick and responsive than offline sailing is. Therefore, the best way to win a race is to put auotsail on, but leave your computer running the game for the entire race. If you log off, the sails do not adjust as quickly or as well to conditions, leading to noticeable drops in speed.

And as Nomad rightly points out, manual sailing is no longer viable with the extreme and rapid changes in wind conditions.

So, the winning strategy is to leave your computer on but NOT touch the controls, which is ridiculous.

[chris]

I tend to never disagree with Nomad

[Green Death]

Originally posted by Tangent:

Another thing OP brings up that is important but lost in this discussion: there is a difference between autosail while online, and autohelm while offline.

For some reason, the online-autosail adjustments are far more quick and responsive than offline sailing is. Therefore, the best way to win a race is to put auotsail on, but leave your computer running the game for the entire race. If you log off, the sails do not adjust as quickly or as well to conditions, leading to noticeable drops in speed.

And as Nomad rightly points out, manual sailing is no longer viable with the extreme and rapid changes in wind conditions.

So, the winning strategy is to leave your computer on but NOT touch the controls, which is ridiculous.

You've lost m e a bit here. Are you talking about putting the boat on 'follow track' and then switching to another boat an leaving it?