Some serious racist issues in the game [To developers]

[dolmaKALEM]

Hello,

I've played the game for a while, it was fun until I saw a "Serbia Stronk" text on a wall in the world. I'm not a SJW or anything like that but when Slavic developers reference a slavic song that promotes genocide, I felt like that was maybe too much. This meme was even used by the New Zeland terrorist so again, not very cool.

Any explanations by the developer or plans to change anything?

[JasseBasse]

Messaggio originale di 7821874:

Agent Dolma comes at night,
of the KGB he's the most bright:
he will scrutinize your game
and dictate what's okay to play,
Developers watch your jokes
make the wrong one and he'll nuke your kawks!
:leninsmile:

AWESOME!!!! Made me rofl :-))

[dolmaKALEM]

Well, I left this post after I've seen typical "gamer" responses but it seems people are being pretty stupid about it.

People being nazis in a fictional world = okay,
Developers adding random nazi text in random places of the world = not okay.

If you talk to a nazi in the game and "hitler did nothing wrong" is written on his wall, that's okay.

In this fictional world though, genocide calling song does not even exist, they are referencing a real song which is not related to the world itself. It's like making a game takes place in 1800's and adding a "hitler did nothing wrong" text in it.

Really, steam community is a pretty sad place it seems.

[Marcus Butthurticus]

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

Well, I left this post after I've seen typical "gamer" responses but it seems people are being pretty stupid about it.

People being nazis in a fictional world = okay,
Developers adding random nazi text in random places of the world = not okay.

If you talk to a nazi in the game and "hitler did nothing wrong" is written on his wall, that's okay.

In this fictional world though, genocide calling song does not even exist, they are referencing a real song which is not related to the world itself. It's like making a game takes place in 1800's and adding a "hitler did nothing wrong" text in it.

Really, steam community is a pretty sad place it seems.

Don't be stupid, its based on the real world, so real ♥♥♥♥ from our world in it. Are you triggered by mentioning Soviet too? Or Lenin or Stalin?

[grraf]

dolmaKALEM i'm sorry pal but u really don't seem to get the point... the only way to raise awareness about smth is by mentioning it not by burying it where the sun doesn't shine.
A quick example of this is the dreaded Mein Kampf if anything it should be a common read giving everyone a glimpse into what determined a man to slowly sink himself and most of humanity into one of its darkest times, same goes for a lot of literary works/pamphlets either openly or covertly encouraging racism&discrimination... Sadly often times the only way to determine what smth truly is&intends to accomplish is to compare it to smth else...destroying/limiting access to such works does nothing but give the chance for 'history' to repeat itself due to people failing to recognize similar emerging behavioral patterns in current groups/organizations...

This is how u end up with this kind of funny but potentially tragedy inducing events:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/academic-journal-accepts-feminist-mein-kampf born out of sheer ignorance and the blind follow the herd mentality.

The fact that u advocate to have smth erased from existence(like referencing either current or past events in a game) paints u as nothing more then a individual doing your tiny part to cover up(unwillingly perhaps) ugly truths that people should be given a chance to freely learn about in an unbiased way should they so desire.

[dolmaKALEM]

Messaggio originale di grraf:

dolmaKALEM i'm sorry pal but u really don't seem to get the point... the only way to raise awareness about smth is by mentioning it not by burying it where the sun doesn't shine.
A quick example of this is the dreaded Mein Kampf if anything it should be a common read giving everyone a glimpse into what determined a man to slowly sink himself and most of humanity into one of its darkest times, same goes for a lot of literary works/pamphlets either openly or covertly encouraging racism&discrimination... Sadly often times the only way to determine what smth truly is&intends to accomplish is to compare it to smth else...destroying/limiting access to such works does nothing but give the chance for 'history' to repeat itself due to people failing to recognize similar emerging behavioral patterns in current groups/organizations...

This is how u end up with this kind of funny but potentially tragedy inducing events:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/academic-journal-accepts-feminist-mein-kampf born out of sheer ignorance and the blind follow the herd mentality.

The fact that u advocate to have smth erased from existence(like referencing either current or past events in a game) paints u as nothing more then a individual doing your tiny part to cover up(unwillingly perhaps) ugly truths that people should be given a chance to freely learn about in an unbiased way should they so desire.

I will only respond to this because other responses are pretty childish.

You are completely wrong. Radical islam were already there but we are going in a way where white supremacist reading stuff over internet and starting to kill people too, they already started, it's not that bad, yet. So, reading what Hitler thought while killing people would possibly make someone to actually think "Hitler did nothing wrong".

And again, I don't say don't use nazis or other types of racist movements, if it adds something to the game, sure, if world reflects those values, sure. For example there are many anti semitic characters in the game, I don't complain about them, not because I'm not a jew, because those people belong to that world.

Adding a random pro racism/genocide text to unrelated places of the world though is unnecessary though. Serbia does not even exist in that world so putting "serbia strong" does not make any sense, it's the same with putting racist text as an easter egg.

[Miss P.]

*dolmaKalen, I dont know this reference but I am sorry if this offended you and I am curious about the response of the dev too.

But in my opinion, this game doesnt glorified genocide, sex slave, murder, etc, it is the opposite, because you character need to do the good thing, at least, it can.

A problematic game will be one with no choice except murdering, pedophilia, animal cruelty, etc.

Atom rpg is a when everything goes wrong, like mass murdering and nuclear war without thinking of consequences and even the "chiefs" dont even care about people, ecology, etc, I think that this game is anti-dictature -anti-propagande- and so on.

So I dont think the genocide reference is "go for it", it is more "dont do it, look the probable future with this kind of behavior." Voilà voilà ;)

[JasseBasse]

Messaggio originale di 7821874:

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

Gibberish

Since Tarrant, the Australian attacker, also used the "subscribe to Pewdiepie" meme, I suggest we emit a fatwa against Pewdiepie and wage telematic jihad against him.
I refuse to believe that you actually think people like Tarrant do what they do because they found a meme on the internet. It's bloody stupid and you deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for it.

Hear hear! sjw´s are on a mission of taking over the world. Cancel culture offended by everything and everyone polluting us all with their censorship (of tolerance). Is there no end to this madness?

[duracell]

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

I'm not a SJW or anything like that

That is exactly what you sound like and are if you are offended from a graffiti on a video game.

[omegazeda]

Messaggio originale di duracell:

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

I'm not a SJW or anything like that

That is exactly what you sound like and are if you are offended from a graffiti on a video game.

But dood i can be SJW if i want to one day and the next i am not, magic!

[nimrock]

Messaggio originale di Miss P.:

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But in my opinion, this game doesnt glorified genocide, sex slave, murder, etc, it is the opposite, because you character need to do the good thing, at least, it can.

A problematic game will be one with no choice except murdering, pedophilia, animal cruelty, etc.

Atom rpg is a when everything goes wrong, like mass murdering and nuclear war without thinking of consequences and even the "chiefs" dont even care about people, ecology, etc, I think that this game is anti-dictature -anti-propagande- and so on.

So I dont think the genocide reference is "go for it", it is more "dont do it, look the probable future with this kind of behavior." Voilà voilà ;)

Why including / portraying something in the game have to glorify or stigmatize it?
This is absurd aproach.
In one of my most beloved rpg, Fallout 1/2 you were allowed to do horrible things. Shooting kids, kill everyone in a whole city just for fun, rob the caravans etc. And this is exectly why it was greatest game.
I played as a good guy but hey, as vegetarian I killed multiple animals and never had anny issue with it.
I would never say Atom promotes violence against animals course I was able to shoot the dog instead of taking him with me to the further jurney,

[Gregorovitch]

Seems to me this game has a lot of pretty nasty people roaming around the wasteland or setting up camps etc. A lot of them are slavers. I know I've killed probably several hundred of them by now but there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them.

That people like this might leave racist or even genocidal graffiti on a wall is no surprise to me, it seems completely in character. Me, I just shoot these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on sight and it seems to me the game gives me every encouragement to do so. I can't see how anyone could accuse this game of promoting racism or genocide.

[dolmaKALEM]

Maybe my English is not good enough, how can everyone miss my point, I actually wrote it pretty clearly.

People doing TERRIBLE things in a game is okay if that's the setting of the game. "Serbia Strong" does not belong to the setting of this game though. For example, if Hitler isn't in the game universe and you add "Hitler did nothing wrong" text to the game, you say that, not any character in the game BECAUSE HITLER DO NOT EXIST IN THE GAME.

[JasseBasse]

Messaggio originale di 7821874:

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

Maybe my English is not good enough, how can everyone miss my point, I actually wrote it pretty clearly.

People doing TERRIBLE things in a game is okay if that's the setting of the game. "Serbia Strong" does not belong to the setting of this game though. For example, if Hitler isn't in the game universe and you add "Hitler did nothing wrong" text to the game, you say that, not any character in the game BECAUSE HITLER DO NOT EXIST IN THE GAME.

Your English is relatively fine and well understandable, it's your ability to perform critical thinking and withstanding a joke to be lacking. The fact that Yugoslavia hadn't broken up yet and the meme not existing by the events of the game seems part of the joke to me. By the way, there is plenty of anachronistic things in this game, your object of obsession is just a minor thing that most wouldn't even have noticed had you not plastered the forums with your cries for a fatwa, so in fact I think you are promoting genocide yourself and I will have to denounce you to the thought police.
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Thumbs up from me buddy!

[Gregorovitch]

Messaggio originale di dolmaKALEM:

People doing TERRIBLE things in a game is okay if that's the setting of the game. "Serbia Strong" does not belong to the setting of this game though. For example, if Hitler isn't in the game universe and you add "Hitler did nothing wrong" text to the game, you say that, not any character in the game BECAUSE HITLER DO NOT EXIST IN THE GAME.

IMO your analysis is flawed here.

Particularly at the moment all cultures across the globe, be it Russia, Europe, North America, Brazil, Pacific rim, wherever, are plagued by their fair share of racist thugs and fascists. I personally, being west european, don't know anything about the "Serbia Strong" meme, but I certainly recognise Nazi memes amongst far right racist thugs in my country. I can easily imagine a far right racist thug from a Slavic culture, like Russia for example, picking up on this "Serbia strong" meme in the same way since Serbia is a fellow Slavic culture.

The game depicts a post-apocalyptic Russia where lawless bands of murderous brigands and slavers run riot across the land. It is easy to imagine some such people seeking to self-justify their lifestyles with some form of racist/fascist ideology that tells them it is absolutely OK for the "strong" to take what they want from the "weak", to enslave them, whatever. Therefore if this "Serbia Strong" meme is associated with aggressive Slavic nationalism then I would argue it falls directly into the context of the game and is 100% legitimate lore and story telling.

[dolmaKALEM]

@Gregorovitch

Serbia does not exist in the game though. It is also a meme. Do you think memes exist in the games lore too?

@randomdudewithnumbersinhisname

You haven't realized I don't read your messages yet?