Killed Dan and Shishank... did I make a mistake?

[ima_newbie]

In order to avoid spoilers, during that part of the quest-line where Shishank and Dan are involved, I decided to take the opportunity to kill everyone in the factory while they were distracted; I figured I would rid the world of this gang and free Otradnoye and get some log update but nothing happened. I'm not sure if the devs considered this possibility, so perhaps I prematurley shot myself in the foot by eliminating some quests that might lead to that eventual outcome. Can anyone out there let me know if I'm missing out on much, or should I reload an just follow the quest line? Thanks.

p.s. I'm a big fan of the Fallout games and have been playing Fallout 76 since it came out but since I started playing ATOM I can't go back; they seem to have done a really good job on immersing you in the world and making interesting stories and quest lines.

[Sisyphus]

You need to change your thinking a little bit. Dan isn't a mindless bandit, he has a purpose to what he does, unlike Shishak. I'd recommend reloading and following Dan's questlines.

[caverat749]

did you take Dan's ring to Kovalev???before the election that was a possible end to Kovalev's factory quest....however by killing Dan you broke the quest when he sends you to investigate Peregon to find out where did Shishank got his men from

[ima_newbie]

Thanks for the advice, I knew something was off, I'll reload. I'm past the elections, went back to the factory for credit but encountered the Dan and Shishank thing.

@Sisyphus: yeah, I know he's not mindless, seems to be an enlightened gang leader so far, but he's still a gang leader, know what I mean?

[caverat749]

Dan will reward you after you help him in the fight....my advice stock up on speechcraft points - it boostes the money also keep the dog alive...his fleas and bites will gain you some nice profit in Peregon

[Sisyphus]

He's a 'gang leader' with the intention of going legit and providing security to the wastes. Given the setting, grery morality kinda makes sense

[Benson]

After this fight, Dan won't talk to me. I mean it just has text above his head, I can't talk to him in the normal way.

EDIT: Had to exit the map and come back in.

[The Burning One]

Originally posted by Benson:

After this fight, Dan won't talk to me. I mean it just has text above his head, I can't talk to him in the normal way.

EDIT: Had to exit the map and come back in.

Leave the map and come back

[sienio]

Dan need 24h more to think. He will talk with You.

[Tbob418]

It was obvious from the start that they were creating a morally ambiguous situation with Dan, or rather, the lesser of two evils. He does in fact protect AND enforce his own taxes and rules on other settlements. So what happens to them if he is dead? I'm not there yet, but I'm guessing nothing.

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

You need to change your thinking a little bit. Dan isn't a mindless bandit, he has a purpose to what he does, unlike Shishak. I'd recommend reloading and following Dan's questlines.

I don't even know who Shishank is (whether I simply didn't find the npc/engage with him or it was all skipped due to mechanic quest choices) so the only choice is the one from the beginning, get rid of Dan and the village is tax free but also (relatively) defenseless from bandits. (note that the other other village you are sent to "offer" protection, did not need it at all).

While I'd bet kantianism would disagree with me, I plan on blowing Dan's head of after finishing all the quests with him. I did a similar thing with the other quest involving a former murderer/raider who found family and peace. Sure he might be a nice productive member of society now, but the guy whose family he slaughtered might be a better one after getting some justice.

Also, during the Dan/Shiwhatever fight, Dan's group is green and the others are red to me, so I guess I intuitively like Dan better ;p

[Laggy]

Did you become the gang leader by doing that? Which would concequently put you in the bad guy's seat :P I mean, if you leave Dan alive, he will somehow come back to his sense and make peace with the village later on. I never tryied wiping them bandits all out,though it doesnt seem too bad an option in the game... But considering what would happen in the real world, you cant really cleanse the world of bad guys, old ones gone, new ones spawn, no peace would dawn through killing...

[omegazeda]

Dan ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and died by Shishank and then Shishank got gunned down by bandit, in first 3 turns, i only got inside the building when it was all over XD RNg 4 lyfe boys!

[thoguht mcdanger]

If you kill Dan during the factory battle (I threw a grenade in the mix and then Dan and all his minions aggroed) you miss out on him asking you to find out who Shishank was working for. This means, as far as I can tell, that you can't get in to talking with the mob guys in Kzmmy, which means you don't get sent to extort money from people who owe them money (which is a gateway quest to get to the main don) and you don't get sent to the east to stop the gang that hired Shishank. I haven't finished this second play through yet, so I don't know if it changes the ending summaries, but it does seem like no one acknowledges Dan's death, so maybe the devs didn't really plan for it. You can loot a ring off him, but no one seems to recognize that you have it, which is sort of disappointing. I was hoping that the ring would get me in to talk to the mob guys.

[Ichthyic]

people saying Dan is a good guy....

you uh, DO realize that protection rackets are nothing but extortion, right?

Dan is an extortionist. he only pretends at being concerned.

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally posted by Ichthyic:

people saying Dan is a good guy....

you uh, DO realize that protection rackets are nothing but extortion, right?

Dan is an extortionist. he only pretends at being concerned.

Its not about good or bad, its about the lesser of two evils, to see what I mean in-game go to Fidels bar and talk with some of the patrons there, you'll see ^^

[Dorok]

During first parts, Dan could look like the bad guy, and the village leader the good guy.

But the base idea is there isn't state, law, police. The writing tries setup the idea that this context make it more complex. But you'll get the picture only through a full play.

The town leader killing the Rat is disproportionate, spy is a big word for a small town. The town leader doesn't see that in the context the village is too small and probably can't survive by itself.

I can't elaborate more without to spoil, but that's the idea, it's more complicate in the context, even if the town leader is more a good man, and Dan more a cold man ready to a lot of thing to bring more order at the end.