why does every character bully Saltzpyre?

[JagdPanzer IV]

every interaction with Victor is demeaning to him. only bardin compliments him rarely on a killstreak. why does every character treat him with disdain?

[Sir Duckyweather]

Kruber looks up to him, though he does sometimes tease a bit.

[JagdPanzer IV]

Originally posted by Sir Duckyweather:

Kruber looks up to him, though he does sometimes tease a bit.

"Wish he'd taught you to hold a sword proper"
Kruber is just more technical in his bullying.

[Sir Duckyweather]

Originally posted by Gran Autismo:

"Wish he'd taught you to hold a sword proper"
Kruber is just more technical in his bullying.

Isn't that a Grail Knight-specific line though? Between that and the "peasant" remarks, it seems the career change went straight to Kruber's head and ego. On all other careers, Markus is generally a much more pleasant fella.

[Zerschmetterling]

Yeah, the peasant comments are Grailknight Kruber only, all other Krubers say they wish Sigmar would send them an Ale instead.
But Markus does take the piss at Salty every now and then, it is just a lot more good natured.

[iyashi]

Well, to be fair Salty himself is also often mean and dismissive to others.
Roasting always goes both ways between characters in this game.

[JagdPanzer IV]

Originally posted by iyashi:

Well, to be fair Salty himself is also often mean and dismissive to others.
Roasting always goes both ways between characters in this game.

That's just his personality, part of who he is as a witch hunter; but he does go out of his way to compliment the others quite often. Yet the others don't seem to recognize it, and are even dismissive or outright reject his compliments.
is this behaviour towards him explained in the lore somewhere?
It's just that I main Victor and it gets annoying after a while.

[Heretical_Cactus]

Most Witch Hunters aren't trusted by the simple folks, as they can be quick to the accusation, and the pyre

[JagdPanzer IV]

Originally posted by Heretical_Cactus:

Most Witch Hunters aren't trusted by the simple folks, as they can be quick to the accusation, and the pyre

that makes sense in the first vermintide, but after all they've been through?

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

I don’t recall the other 4 giving Victor ♥♥♥♥ as often as you’re saying they do. If they do, its only because he’s rather uptight and foul tempered, but still more amicable than perhaps Kerillian.

[man_in_recline]

They all seem to like him, and gently mock him because he takes himself too seriously.

The only person Bardin really gets aggravated at is the elf -- and even then there's still a warmth in his voice, still seems more bemused by her attitude than actually upset.

[Exocet]

Firstofall Viktor is a noble whereas the others are certainly from lower social classes (except kruber when he's a grail knight) even the dwarf and the elf in their own society. Secondly Viktor is the natural boss : he gathered the team, decides objectives since V1 and everybody likes to tease the boss. Finally witch hunters are judges and executors, so they tend to be strictly bossy with everyone, here the team is willingly following him, even sienna who kind of agreed to follow him. So even if Viktor is still harsh, patronizing and unforgiving naturally, he can not really be bossy with them, since it's mostly suicide missions everytime hence the teasings and bickerings within the team and especially toward Viktor.

Bytheway lore wise he's not the most powerful heroe in the team, which is the elf by far without a doubt, then the mage quite ahead of the last 3. Hence Viktor calling elf for help anytime he's overwhelmed for he knows she's their best asset : powerful, fast and reliable, whereas the mage is powerful but not fast nor really reliable, especially because she uses magic.

[These stairs go up!]

Originally posted by Exocet:

Firstofall Viktor is a noble whereas the others are certainly from lower social classes (except kruber when he's a grail knight) even the dwarf and the elf in their own society. Secondly Viktor is the natural boss : he gathered the team, decides objectives since V1 and everybody likes to tease the boss. Finally witch hunters are judges and executors, so they tend to be strictly bossy with everyone, here the team is willingly following him, even sienna who kind of agreed to follow him. So even if Viktor is still harsh, patronizing and unforgiving naturally, he can not really be bossy with them, since it's mostly suicide missions everytime hence the teasings and bickerings within the team and especially toward Viktor.

Bytheway lore wise he's not the most powerful heroe in the team, which is the elf by far without a doubt, then the mage quite ahead of the last 3. Hence Viktor calling elf for help anytime he's overwhelmed for he knows she's their best asset : powerful, fast and reliable, whereas the mage is powerful but not fast nor really reliable, especially because she uses magic.

1. Viktor isnt a noble. Witch hunters in general arent nobles. Viktor himself is the son of a blacksmith, and adopted by the Order of the Silver Hammer. Viktor himself even says he was born in an insignificant hovel near Senden in Middenland, a place so insignificant its not listed ever in lore. They often work for nobles but are most often themselves regular men or mercenaries, perhaps working for one of the cults. As well they often operate outside of the law and do what they see fit, not what the law allows.

2. In regards to Viktor gathering the team this is simply not the case. Bardin and Kerillian happened to be passing through Ubersreik separately at the time of the pactsworn invasion. Both were exiled from their homes in stories that are slowly being examined. Meanwhile, Saltzpyre and his hired hand Kruber were taking Sienna to be put on trial for witchcraft, destruction of property, and murder. During the attack the group took refuge in the Red Moon Inn and became allies with Lohner and Oleysa. They are all allies of convenience, not a purposely assembled group. Though they have mostly learned to get along and defer leadership to Saltzpyre and Lohner.

3. There arent power levels mentioned in the lore of Vermintide. If we are talking GW lore plenty of Humans have gone head to head with elves and dwarfs and been their betters. Skill with a blade, bow or gun counts for something regardless of race. Not to mention the chance of the interference of the gods.

4. Viktor never calls upon the elf specifically or at least any more than he calls upon his other comrades. She wouldnt help anyway as she is self serving and an ally of convenience. It is well established that Viktor and Kerillian do NOT like each other almost at all. They barely even trust eachother, often threatening eachothers lives and bickering over ideals. They fight together because alone they are surely dead.

[JagdPanzer IV]

NICE NECRO BOIS.

[These stairs go up!]

Originally posted by Gran Autismo:

NICE NECRO BOIS.

What can I say besides you're welcome?

[Exocet]

Originally posted by These stairs go up!:

Originally posted by Exocet:

Firstofall Viktor is a noble whereas the others are certainly from lower social classes (except kruber when he's a grail knight) even the dwarf and the elf in their own society. Secondly Viktor is the natural boss : he gathered the team, decides objectives since V1 and everybody likes to tease the boss. Finally witch hunters are judges and executors, so they tend to be strictly bossy with everyone, here the team is willingly following him, even sienna who kind of agreed to follow him. So even if Viktor is still harsh, patronizing and unforgiving naturally, he can not really be bossy with them, since it's mostly suicide missions everytime hence the teasings and bickerings within the team and especially toward Viktor.

Bytheway lore wise he's not the most powerful heroe in the team, which is the elf by far without a doubt, then the mage quite ahead of the last 3. Hence Viktor calling elf for help anytime he's overwhelmed for he knows she's their best asset : powerful, fast and reliable, whereas the mage is powerful but not fast nor really reliable, especially because she uses magic.

1. Viktor isnt a noble. Witch hunters in general arent nobles. Viktor himself is the son of a blacksmith, and adopted by the Order of the Silver Hammer. Viktor himself even says he was born in an insignificant hovel near Senden in Middenland, a place so insignificant its not listed ever in lore. They often work for nobles but are most often themselves regular men or mercenaries, perhaps working for one of the cults. As well they often operate outside of the law and do what they see fit, not what the law allows.

2. In regards to Viktor gathering the team this is simply not the case. Bardin and Kerillian happened to be passing through Ubersreik separately at the time of the pactsworn invasion. Both were exiled from their homes in stories that are slowly being examined. Meanwhile, Saltzpyre and his hired hand Kruber were taking Sienna to be put on trial for witchcraft, destruction of property, and murder. During the attack the group took refuge in the Red Moon Inn and became allies with Lohner and Oleysa. They are all allies of convenience, not a purposely assembled group. Though they have mostly learned to get along and defer leadership to Saltzpyre and Lohner.

3. There arent power levels mentioned in the lore of Vermintide. If we are talking GW lore plenty of Humans have gone head to head with elves and dwarfs and been their betters. Skill with a blade, bow or gun counts for something regardless of race. Not to mention the chance of the interference of the gods.

4. Viktor never calls upon the elf specifically or at least any more than he calls upon his other comrades. She wouldnt help anyway as she is self serving and an ally of convenience. It is well established that Viktor and Kerillian do NOT like each other almost at all. They barely even trust eachother, often threatening eachothers lives and bickering over ideals. They fight together because alone they are surely dead.

1- Well, I thought so according to the picture we unlock, not such a fan of lohner's texts.

2- This is Viktor still whom band them together, dwarf and elf were good meetings indeed, yet they followed him whereas they have zero interest in defending the empire, outcasts or not. He was not going for a trial about sienna, this is a mere excuse to bring sienna with him (see Vtide 1) and he certainly did not need kruber as bodyguard to do so : he could has kill her upon the charges on her if he wanted to. He surely was looking for skavens since he lost an eye to an eshin assassin and as any Hannibal : he needed his A team for that.

3- Vermintide is made with warhammer lore, a waywatcher is a very strong unit able to kill any of the other hero on his own, waystalker are even stronger. Not to mention all the other elf career : why do you think FS always make them so strong ? Of course they all have their chances practically but theorically elf is definitely the stronger.

4- I main BH and anytime viktor is in deep s...t or when the elf take a good beating, he calls for her with quite a paniqued voice, not for kruber whom he tends to tease. Just saying.