Why do people worship chaos?

[Pink Eye]

It seems like the chaos gods do not care about their followers at all. So, why then do people whorship them? Why not sigmar? I mean as much hate as the empire gets, they at least are in it for mankind. While chaos on the other hand will screw you over in life and even harder in death.

[Sceptrum]

Chaos gives power immediately and easier. And anyone who worships Chaos think they can do it so well they will become daemons eventually. Very few do.

Also some become Chaos worshippers just by their personalities. If someone gets too easily worked up while killing it is easier for them to become Khornate. Too hedonistic in some pursuits and its easy to become enslaved to Slaanesh as you crave even more sensations. Thirsty for knowledge? Easier to be ensnared by Tzeentch.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Sceptrum:

Chaos gives power immediately and easier. And anyone who worships Chaos think they can do it so well they will become daemons eventually. Very few do.

Also some become Chaos worshippers just by their personalities. If someone gets too easily worked up while killing it is easier for them to become Khornate. Too hedonistic in some pursuits and its easy to become enslaved to Slaanesh as you crave even more sensations. Thirsty for knowledge? Easier to be ensnared by Tzeentch.

Huh, a follow up question if you would. What are daemons? Also what does one gain from becoming a daemon.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by BrokenClock:

Originally posted by Sceptrum:

Chaos gives power immediately and easier. And anyone who worships Chaos think they can do it so well they will become daemons eventually. Very few do.

Also some become Chaos worshippers just by their personalities. If someone gets too easily worked up while killing it is easier for them to become Khornate. Too hedonistic in some pursuits and its easy to become enslaved to Slaanesh as you crave even more sensations. Thirsty for knowledge? Easier to be ensnared by Tzeentch.

Huh, a follow up question if you would. What are daemons? Also what does one gain from becoming a daemon.

most chaos worshippers dream of being elevated to a deamon prince, and deamon princes are effectively immortal with immense power in the mortal world compaired to a normal person.

as for what deamons are, it's....a little complicated, but they're more or less beings of pure magical power.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Jakal bringing that 2018 luck!:

Originally posted by BrokenClock:

Huh, a follow up question if you would. What are daemons? Also what does one gain from becoming a daemon.

most chaos worshippers dream of being elevated to a deamon prince, and deamon princes are effectively immortal with immense power in the mortal world compaired to a normal person.

as for what deamons are, it's....a little complicated, but they're more or less beings of pure magical power.

Thanks for the answer man.

[Seven of Nine]

daemons are projections / parts of their patron god...
it's interesting...
emotions feed the Ruinous Powers / Dark Gods / Chaos Gods...
anger, hatred, rage = Khorne
Despair, Hopelessness, Fear, and facing death = Nurgle
Hope, planning, but also practicing magic is beneficial for Tzeentch.
Slaanesh is like whatever you like, he/she/it likes it too. She also has some thirst for Elven souls.

So emotions feed them. The more emotions, the more power for them. At times they transfer their power to beings = Exaltation, becoming Daemon Prince for example...
Most of the time however they project part of the power, and make them manifest into daemons. The latter is quite interesting... while it deprives them of that amount of Power (say you have 100 rage, you expense 10 rage to create a being worthy of 10 rage, you now have 90 rage directly and 10 indirectly through this daemon...)
This daemon reflects its patron god... and does what its patron god loves... this way whatever these smaller, greater daemons do, also feed their patron god...

That's why they win in the end. There is no hope to win against them in the WHF setting. Whatever you do, they get empowered.
If you kill daemons with whatever purpose it feeds Khorne.
If you have anything of an enjoyment, or you are a perfectionist, it feeds Slaanesh. Arts too are great way for Slaanesh. The more perverse the better.
As you are a mortal being you always fear death, and have hopeless times, feeding Nurgle.
Yet you do whatever to avoid it, you aspire to become greater, woo we have Tzeentch there.

Basically the only way to stop the Chaos Gods, is that you stopped doing anything.

They represent the destructive side of existence. And the pervert side of perfect stuff.

Nurgle could also be the God of Healing, and Hope, Tzeentch of Knowledge, Khorne of Chivalry, Slaanesh of Perfection. Yet they are twisted projections of it.

Not sure on WHF settings, but it is much more elaborated in W40K.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Seven of Nine:

daemons are projections / parts of their patron god...
it's interesting...
emotions feed the Ruinous Powers / Dark Gods / Chaos Gods...
anger, hatred, rage = Khorne
Despair, Hopelessness, Fear, and facing death = Nurgle
Hope, planning, but also practicing magic is beneficial for Tzeentch.
Slaanesh is like whatever you like, he/she/it likes it too. She also has some thirst for Elven souls.

So emotions feed them. The more emotions, the more power for them. At times they transfer their power to beings = Exaltation, becoming Daemon Prince for example...
Most of the time however they project part of the power, and make them manifest into daemons. The latter is quite interesting... while it deprives them of that amount of Power (say you have 100 rage, you expense 10 rage to create a being worthy of 10 rage, you now have 90 rage directly and 10 indirectly through this daemon...)
This daemon reflects its patron god... and does what its patron god loves... this way whatever these smaller, greater daemons do, also feed their patron god...

That's why they win in the end. There is no hope to win against them in the WHF setting. Whatever you do, they get empowered.
If you kill daemons with whatever purpose it feeds Khorne.
If you have anything of an enjoyment, or you are a perfectionist, it feeds Slaanesh. Arts too are great way for Slaanesh. The more perverse the better.
As you are a mortal being you always fear death, and have hopeless times, feeding Nurgle.
Yet you do whatever to avoid it, you aspire to become greater, woo we have Tzeentch there.

Basically the only way to stop the Chaos Gods, is that you stopped doing anything.

They represent the destructive side of existence. And the pervert side of perfect stuff.

Nurgle could also be the God of Healing, and Hope, Tzeentch of Knowledge, Khorne of Chivalry, Slaanesh of Perfection. Yet they are twisted projections of it.

Not sure on WHF settings, but it is much more elaborated in W40K.

Goodness. Okay what about sigmar, does sigmar fuel the chaos gods?

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by BrokenClock:

Originally posted by Seven of Nine:

daemons are projections / parts of their patron god...
it's interesting...
emotions feed the Ruinous Powers / Dark Gods / Chaos Gods...
anger, hatred, rage = Khorne
Despair, Hopelessness, Fear, and facing death = Nurgle
Hope, planning, but also practicing magic is beneficial for Tzeentch.
Slaanesh is like whatever you like, he/she/it likes it too. She also has some thirst for Elven souls.

So emotions feed them. The more emotions, the more power for them. At times they transfer their power to beings = Exaltation, becoming Daemon Prince for example...
Most of the time however they project part of the power, and make them manifest into daemons. The latter is quite interesting... while it deprives them of that amount of Power (say you have 100 rage, you expense 10 rage to create a being worthy of 10 rage, you now have 90 rage directly and 10 indirectly through this daemon...)
This daemon reflects its patron god... and does what its patron god loves... this way whatever these smaller, greater daemons do, also feed their patron god...

That's why they win in the end. There is no hope to win against them in the WHF setting. Whatever you do, they get empowered.
If you kill daemons with whatever purpose it feeds Khorne.
If you have anything of an enjoyment, or you are a perfectionist, it feeds Slaanesh. Arts too are great way for Slaanesh. The more perverse the better.
As you are a mortal being you always fear death, and have hopeless times, feeding Nurgle.
Yet you do whatever to avoid it, you aspire to become greater, woo we have Tzeentch there.

Basically the only way to stop the Chaos Gods, is that you stopped doing anything.

They represent the destructive side of existence. And the pervert side of perfect stuff.

Nurgle could also be the God of Healing, and Hope, Tzeentch of Knowledge, Khorne of Chivalry, Slaanesh of Perfection. Yet they are twisted projections of it.

Not sure on WHF settings, but it is much more elaborated in W40K.

Goodness. Okay what about sigmar, does sigmar fuel the chaos gods?

eh, that guy's being a BIT dishonest. it's true if you go overboard with your emotions you feed a chaos god (although it might end up being solkhan or hashut or something depending), but the act of doing a thing isn't "this pleases chaos". the dwarfs are constantly going to war with the greenskins and retmen, but this doesn't fuel khorne and every fall huge hordes of plants rot and die, but this doesn't fuel nurgle.

if you do something in a way that upsets the normal balance of things, like obcessively working on a painting to the point of abandoning sleep and hygene so you can make it just perfect to show your crush how much you want to be with her, then you're in chaos territory. if you're doing something that's reasonable and understandable, like catching and eating some fish for dinner, no you aren't aiding khorne.

[HereticVoid]

Originally posted by BrokenClock:

Originally posted by Seven of Nine:

daemons are projections / parts of their patron god...
it's interesting...
emotions feed the Ruinous Powers / Dark Gods / Chaos Gods...
anger, hatred, rage = Khorne
Despair, Hopelessness, Fear, and facing death = Nurgle
Hope, planning, but also practicing magic is beneficial for Tzeentch.
Slaanesh is like whatever you like, he/she/it likes it too. She also has some thirst for Elven souls.

So emotions feed them. The more emotions, the more power for them. At times they transfer their power to beings = Exaltation, becoming Daemon Prince for example...
Most of the time however they project part of the power, and make them manifest into daemons. The latter is quite interesting... while it deprives them of that amount of Power (say you have 100 rage, you expense 10 rage to create a being worthy of 10 rage, you now have 90 rage directly and 10 indirectly through this daemon...)
This daemon reflects its patron god... and does what its patron god loves... this way whatever these smaller, greater daemons do, also feed their patron god...

That's why they win in the end. There is no hope to win against them in the WHF setting. Whatever you do, they get empowered.
If you kill daemons with whatever purpose it feeds Khorne.
If you have anything of an enjoyment, or you are a perfectionist, it feeds Slaanesh. Arts too are great way for Slaanesh. The more perverse the better.
As you are a mortal being you always fear death, and have hopeless times, feeding Nurgle.
Yet you do whatever to avoid it, you aspire to become greater, woo we have Tzeentch there.

Basically the only way to stop the Chaos Gods, is that you stopped doing anything.

They represent the destructive side of existence. And the pervert side of perfect stuff.

Nurgle could also be the God of Healing, and Hope, Tzeentch of Knowledge, Khorne of Chivalry, Slaanesh of Perfection. Yet they are twisted projections of it.

Not sure on WHF settings, but it is much more elaborated in W40K.

Goodness. Okay what about sigmar, does sigmar fuel the chaos gods?

Nope as a god (ascended human) any true bealiver that say inspires hope or kills in his name while believing in him will grant power to him and not the chaos gods.
Chaos is indeed perpetual and powerful but they can be matched by pantheons of gods and God like beings but never defeated just stale mated at best

[Mr Pyro]

I think it should also be pointed out there are some distictions between Chaos Daemons and those servants of chaos who do actually succeed in impressing their gods and are uplifted into daemonhood.

Chaos Daemons within fantasy are created from magic and feed upon/inspire certain emotions in mortals. The Chaos daemons can generally be catergorized into Greater and Lesser Daemons. For Example; Tzeentch's Greater Daemons are "Lords of Change", massive bird/man hybrids and almost unparalleled in their affinity for sorcery and scheming. It's Lesser Daemons are "Horrors", which are basically little gremlins of madness and fluctuating emotion. You might like to think of Greater Daemons are a sort of General, with the lesser daemons being foot soldiers. I'm pretty sure the Greater Daemons are the ones that actually have independant thought and personality, whereas Lesser Daemons just take after their respective god.

Being creatures of magic, Daemons have a hard time "existing" within the real world, and have to anchor themselves to reality, usually via summoning, posessing mortals, that sort of thing. Usually the stronger the daemon, the more that is required to anchor them.

Daemons Princes on the other hand are mortals who have impressed their respective god enough that they have been granted the gift of Daemonhood. They are typically second only to greater daemons. Becoming a Daemon Prince is the ultimate goal for a lot of not most chaos worshippers. Being a Daemon Prince comes with a lot of perks, namely immortality and godlike powers.

Speaking of blessings, Chaos Spawn are also a thing, though not quite a daemon. They're the end result when a mortal's body cannot withstand all the mutations they receive from their patron god.

There are also "Daemon Engines", which is essentially the Chaos equal to siege equipment, Daemons posessing/being infused with machinery.

[Saxman Steph]

Originally posted by Jakal bringing that 2018 luck!:

Originally posted by BrokenClock:

Goodness. Okay what about sigmar, does sigmar fuel the chaos gods?

eh, that guy's being a BIT dishonest. it's true if you go overboard with your emotions you feed a chaos god (although it might end up being solkhan or hashut or something depending), but the act of doing a thing isn't "this pleases chaos". the dwarfs are constantly going to war with the greenskins and retmen, but this doesn't fuel khorne and every fall huge hordes of plants rot and die, but this doesn't fuel nurgle.

if you do something in a way that upsets the normal balance of things, like obcessively working on a painting to the point of abandoning sleep and hygene so you can make it just perfect to show your crush how much you want to be with her, then you're in chaos territory. if you're doing something that's reasonable and understandable, like catching and eating some fish for dinner, no you aren't aiding khorne.

There is the infamous line that Khorne cares not from where the blood flows. Khorne doesn't really care who kills who for what reason, all he cares about is that blood flows. He's certainly happier when people do it wantonly, solely for the purpose of slaughter, but that's because it's a more or less direct worship of him, so what would you expect. Also, Nurgle isn't a god of death, that's Nagash. Nurgle is the god of *decay*. Everytime someone catches a cold, it does indirectly fuel Nurgle, especially if they spread it to others.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Saxman Steph:

Originally posted by Jakal bringing that 2018 luck!:

eh, that guy's being a BIT dishonest. it's true if you go overboard with your emotions you feed a chaos god (although it might end up being solkhan or hashut or something depending), but the act of doing a thing isn't "this pleases chaos". the dwarfs are constantly going to war with the greenskins and retmen, but this doesn't fuel khorne and every fall huge hordes of plants rot and die, but this doesn't fuel nurgle.

if you do something in a way that upsets the normal balance of things, like obcessively working on a painting to the point of abandoning sleep and hygene so you can make it just perfect to show your crush how much you want to be with her, then you're in chaos territory. if you're doing something that's reasonable and understandable, like catching and eating some fish for dinner, no you aren't aiding khorne.

There is the infamous line that Khorne cares not from where the blood flows. Khorne doesn't really care who kills who for what reason, all he cares about is that blood flows. He's certainly happier when people do it wantonly, solely for the purpose of slaughter, but that's because it's a more or less direct worship of him, so what would you expect. Also, Nurgle isn't a god of death, that's Nagash. Nurgle is the god of *decay*. Everytime someone catches a cold, it does indirectly fuel Nurgle, especially if they spread it to others.

nagash isn't a god at all, that's AoS. and khorne only cares that you kill in his name executing a khaineite cultist is more or less a long line of things he doesn't like coming to an end he still doesn't like. intentions is the sticking point for this stuff.

[TheSilverRaven]

AoS is garbage, and I wouldn't be playing this game if it took place in that stillborn Fargate knockoff of a setting. Nagash is the guy who invented necromancy and the most powerful nercomancer who ever lived/unlived. He isn't a god, but he is powerful enough to be on par with the strongest things in the setting that aren't.

To answer the original question, people worship the Chaos Gods because chaos preys on human weakness. Many get suckered in without realizing it until it's too late... A starving peasant with no food or money in the middle of a plague that has already claimed half his village will pray for salvation from whoever will listen... And the chaos gods listen.

Mutants are a thing that exist in the setting, many from birth. They're considered tainted and shunned from society. By imperial law, parents who give birth to a mutated child have to kill it. Many who can't bring themselves to either try to raise the child in secret or abandon it in the woods. If they raise it, it's only a matter of time before the secret is discovered. Then the mutant has to flee and live a wretched life, hunted for what he is. They often turn to the dark gods out of hated and spite for their persecutors. Those abandoned (who don't starve or get eaten by wild animals) are often taken in by beastmen (basically tribes of animalistic chaos worshipping mutants who hate civilization) and once the mutant is mature, the beastman tribe they're part of inevitibly attacks and wipes out the village they were originally from, slaughtering the parents who spared them.

Too thirsty for scholarly knowledge? Tzeentch has ways of tempting you. Too proud of your prowess in battle? Now Khorne is watching you. Indulge a bit too much in worldly pleasures? Slaanesh can always offer you more. Given up on everything and feel like there's no point in going on? It's ok, Papa Nurgle loves you. Papa Nurgle loves every living thing. Bacteria and fungi and parasites and all sorts of nastiness are living things. And Papa Nurgle loves them. And he loves to give gifts. And you will learn to love his gifts.

[Fresh Yuuka]

they do care iirc

the chaos gods also tends to listen more and isn't skimpy on granting their gifts to anyone who worships them.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by Mr Pyro:

I think it should also be pointed out there are some distictions between Chaos Daemons and those servants of chaos who do actually succeed in impressing their gods and are uplifted into daemonhood.

Chaos Daemons within fantasy are created from magic and feed upon/inspire certain emotions in mortals. The Chaos daemons can generally be catergorized into Greater and Lesser Daemons. For Example; Tzeentch's Greater Daemons are "Lords of Change", massive bird/man hybrids and almost unparalleled in their affinity for sorcery and scheming. It's Lesser Daemons are "Horrors", which are basically little gremlins of madness and fluctuating emotion. You might like to think of Greater Daemons are a sort of General, with the lesser daemons being foot soldiers. I'm pretty sure the Greater Daemons are the ones that actually have independant thought and personality, whereas Lesser Daemons just take after their respective god.

Being creatures of magic, Daemons have a hard time "existing" within the real world, and have to anchor themselves to reality, usually via summoning, posessing mortals, that sort of thing. Usually the stronger the daemon, the more that is required to anchor them.

Daemons Princes on the other hand are mortals who have impressed their respective god enough that they have been granted the gift of Daemonhood. They are typically second only to greater daemons. Becoming a Daemon Prince is the ultimate goal for a lot of not most chaos worshippers. Being a Daemon Prince comes with a lot of perks, namely immortality and godlike powers.

Speaking of blessings, Chaos Spawn are also a thing, though not quite a daemon. They're the end result when a mortal's body cannot withstand all the mutations they receive from their patron god.

There are also "Daemon Engines", which is essentially the Chaos equal to siege equipment, Daemons posessing/being infused with machinery.

What does immortality mean in the context of the warhammer universe? Or more specifically what does it imply.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by TheSilverRaven:

AoS is garbage, and I wouldn't be playing this game if it took place in that stillborn Fargate knockoff of a setting. Nagash is the guy who invented necromancy and the most powerful nercomancer who ever lived/unlived. He isn't a god, but he is powerful enough to be on par with the strongest things in the setting that aren't.

To answer the original question, people worship the Chaos Gods because chaos preys on human weakness. Many get suckered in without realizing it until it's too late... A starving peasant with no food or money in the middle of a plague that has already claimed half his village will pray for salvation from whoever will listen... And the chaos gods listen.

Mutants are a thing that exist in the setting, many from birth. They're considered tainted and shunned from society. By imperial law, parents who give birth to a mutated child have to kill it. Many who can't bring themselves to either try to raise the child in secret or abandon it in the woods. If they raise it, it's only a matter of time before the secret is discovered. Then the mutant has to flee and live a wretched life, hunted for what he is. They often turn to the dark gods out of hated and spite for their persecutors. Those abandoned (who don't starve or get eaten by wild animals) are often taken in by beastmen (basically tribes of animalistic chaos worshipping mutants who hate civilization) and once the mutant is mature, the beastman tribe they're part of inevitibly attacks and wipes out the village they were originally from, slaughtering the parents who spared them.

Too thirsty for scholarly knowledge? Tzeentch has ways of tempting you. Too proud of your prowess in battle? Now Khorne is watching you. Indulge a bit too much in worldly pleasures? Slaanesh can always offer you more. Given up on everything and feel like there's no point in going on? It's ok, Papa Nurgle loves you. Papa Nurgle loves every living thing. Bacteria and fungi and parasites and all sorts of nastiness are living things. And Papa Nurgle loves them. And he loves to give gifts. And you will learn to love his gifts.

All of these things sound horrible! Also thank you for the answer! Question, will the fanaticism of a witch hunter fall into chaos?