Warhammer: Vermintide 1 vs Warhammer: Vermintide 2

[REDSHADOW]

Odd question to ask but I have both but have not properly played 1 and I dont have any of the DLC for 2 (I also have darktide but that is a different story)

Are there equal amount of people playing both?
Is this better than the first? or are more people playing 1
Should I just play 2 and dont bother with 1?

[Chizzit]

Vermintide 2 takes place after Vermintide 1, and some of the V2 levels are retreads of parts of the V1 levels. It is cool to see what you do in V1 reflected in the V2 versions.

I'd say V1 is worth playing through then shifting to V2 (and getting the DLC if you like it).

[drowC]

Vermintide 1: https://steamdb.info/app/235540/charts/
Vermintide 2: https://steamdb.info/app/552500/charts/

Player count of Vermintide 2 is way higher than Vermintide 1.

[caguamo110111011]

you need to play VT1, is very good.... slow but the atmosphere and soundtrack make it very immersive, and if you get friends to play with you u can explore the wizards tower.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

There is about 80 vt2 player for each vt1 player.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Vt1 is a lot more deterministic. Less enemies but individually more dangerous, no ults and get out of jail free cards. You have to be better with your basic positioning and melee skills, but they do port over to vt2.

[B-O-N]

V2 is easier to learn and play than V1.
If starting with V2 you will have a harder time when later switching to V1.
V2 has more content and players.
V1 has better (and better locking) maps than V2.

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by B-O-N:

V2 is easier to learn and play than V1.
If starting with V2 you will have a harder time when later switching to V1.
V2 has more content and players.
V1 has better (and better locking) maps than V2.

The last one is subjective, but yeah V1 has it's charm and is a bit more difficult with how stripped down the systems are in V1 compared to V2.

[NeloDante]

1 is definetly harder and much much tighter. A single mistake can be a team wipe, even if it's small, at the hardest difficulties.
2 is easier because some characters have safety nets, there's "out of jail" skills, temporary HP and other mechanics. It is true that ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan easier in 2, but you have waaaaaaaay more tools to deal with it than in 1.

1 has some maps that do not have full books or no books at all, so those maps are sadly not run that much due to that. Also the DLC weapons only drop in the DLC maps, so getting them is a bit frustrating. There's no quickplay to increase your loot chance.
2 has all maps with full books. However it has some bosses that increases your loot dice quantity.

1 has a more straightforward level up system and gear. However the end game grind is much higher because of the resources you need just to roll the properties you need in each weapon and then roll to increase the % of such item. Reds? They either drop or you get them with daily quests that appear, you do the missions of the dailies and you work towards the loot you chose and get it guaranteed. Reds, as well, are unique and have traits that cannot be obtained usually, two sets of them and you cannot change them; this also means that some reds are REALLY damn good better than the norm and other reds that are garbage. However, once you get a red of X item, it's out of the item pool and you cannot get it anymore.
2 has a slow (not so slow now) leveling system and a gear system that is, lets be honest, REALLY BAD until you reach end game where then it becomes better than Vt1. Reds are just "orange but max rolls". You cannot work towards an item you want with a guarantee unlike in 1 sadly, this mechanic is really missed - the same that when obtaining some reds it was an inmense joy because of obtaining a unique item with unique trait combinations and thus it could play differently.

1 has only skaven and one boss. This is the worst part, the skaven are fine, the single boss is not.
2 has three races to fight, skaven being the best ofcourse. Bosses? Quite a few plus the "lords" that are even better.

1 has better atmosphere than 2. No way around it. You want to see how the empire is trying its best to survive under a rat onslaught that came out of nowhere? You will see it here.
2 has different areas but it won't reach the same atmosphere.

1 has two game modes, survival (two maps, one of them DLC) and the campaign. The survival sucks.
2 has several game modes, weaves (Dlc) sucks. Now it also has Vs!

[ABOUT CASTLE DRACHENFELS]

skip 1. You wont be able to fully enjoy its difficulty as the grind for good gear is insane.

[Wundsaltz]

Originally posted by ABOUT CASTLE DRACHENFELS:

skip 1. You wont be able to fully enjoy its difficulty as the grind for good gear is insane.

In V1 you can skip the entire progression with mods though, if you're so inclined.

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by Wundsaltz:

In V1 you can skip the entire progression with mods though, if you're so inclined.

I highly, highly recommend to everyone to simply cheat the resources (but not the gear) and to get the trait locker mod as well. It'll speed up the process of getting the gear you want while keeping it with the "I hope X drops" without needing to spend 500h trying to reroll for the same item a thousand times to increase its properties from 4.9% to 5.0%.

[Noob Herder]

VT1 is all about a deep and nuanced melee playstyle that could take hundreds of hours mastering mastering. VT2 is more about character classes, perks, and active/passive skills - you can have the same career but specialize differently and weapons handling by comparison is very different.

For example, VT1 Saltzpire one of the few endgame meta equipment was the falchion and repeater crossbow; VT2 falchion and xbow is ok, but outclassed by other weapon/class combinations, so much so that they are lackluster and unimpressive.

Lore wise, VT1 was much more deep and the story felt like it followed a path, each mission you felt like you were one step closer to defeating the great evil. VT2 really feels like you just get thrown around random locations and the missions feel loosely related to the storyline, i.e. you end up feeling like: why are we here again?

That is not to say VT2 is a bad game, it is in fact very fun. VT1 is great as well, but the game was already on life support a few years back and is pretty much dead.

Originally posted by ABOUT CASTLE DRACHENFELS:

skip 1. You wont be able to fully enjoy its difficulty as the grind for good gear is insane.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you reminded me of that absolute disaster ♥♥♥♥ of loot RNG.

[Red Sabre]

I would compare it like this in terms of content, new mechanics, good and bad etc:
Vermintide 1 = Plants vs Zombies
Vermintide 2 = Plants vs Zombies 2

[REDSHADOW]

Originally posted by Chizzit:

Vermintide 2 takes place after Vermintide 1, and some of the V2 levels are retreads of parts of the V1 levels. It is cool to see what you do in V1 reflected in the V2 versions.

I'd say V1 is worth playing through then shifting to V2 (and getting the DLC if you like it).

ok so new question should I invest my time lvl up my characters in vt1 or just play the story mission and move to 2?

[Wundsaltz]

Originally posted by REDSHADOW:

ok so new question should I invest my time lvl up my characters in vt1 or just play the story mission and move to 2?

Neither V1 nor V2 have got a story in the sense of a classical video game campaign. In both titles it's just random banter which builds the characters with some map specific lines added.

I advice against starting with Vermintide 1. Mostly because both titles are coop games at their core and the community of the predecessor is pretty much dead while Vermintide 2 is alive and well.

I think you'll be better off to start with Vermintide 2 and and perhaps check out the roots later if you get hooked by the game. Vermintide 1 is a good game in its own right, but it's not a good entry point into Tide games anymore.