advice for dealing with shield stormvermin

[YELLOWSUPERCAR76]

the newer maps throw them at you. how do you beat the masses as ranged subclasses?

[veracsthane]

handgun, flail, seinna staffs minus bolt which is the least effective for sheild stormvermins and ultimate abilities is the short answer they are armor piercing and ignore shields.

if you have none push twice and hope you one shot their head
shoot them when their back is turned with a crossbow or other ranged weapon.

ideally you would have people at each valve getting them as soon as they pop up and regrouping after you grab the one you are on.

[tools guy-kun]

a ranged based sub class can still be decent at melee. when it comes to shielded enemies, I usually just melee them down unless I have a ranged weapon that can basically 1-3 shot the enemy while having confidence in my shot(s). even then I save the ammo and go for melee kills most of the time.

get to know your weapons and utilize the playstyle they offer you. the answers will come to you eventually.

[LeftFoot]

Originally posted by veracsthane:

seinna staffs minus bolt which is the least effective for sheild stormvermins

Full charge bolt ignores shields and has easy 1sbs sv bps, iirc volcanic bolt has 1sbs cata sv by default

[RatSnakeRichie]

Parry

[capybaras are cool]

i hit them with my big hammer until they die

[Red Sabre]

Stun them twice or attack them from behind while someone else is fighting them. If you play Sienna use your flames. If you play ranged aim for the head. If you play warrior priest just tap the left button.

[DaTank]

Shove, shove then stab the head

[Saizo]

Kerillian as Waystalker: use your ult.

Kruber as Hunter: use a Handgun or stealth and attack from behind.

Bardin as Ranger Veteran: also use Handgun or stealth.
If you get invisible you can attack them however you want.

Saltzpyre as Bounty Hunter: use your ult.

Sienna as Battle Wizard or Pyromancer: Just use attacks with Damage over time.
And the ult from the Battle Wizard not only damage the enemies but also staggers them so you can get a few melee kills too.

[Pulkmees]

Gonna need at least 1 shield guy to hold them back, while rest hack at them.
Shove shove attack is useless if 4-5 of them attack you at different times. You shove away all your stamina to get stunlocked by the other 4.

For fast killing, Handguns.

Otherwise its kiting them to a higher place, then you drop down and kill off the first couple then repeat.

[Lightning Kachowski]

Dodge and heavy attack.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by LeftFoot:

Originally posted by veracsthane:

seinna staffs minus bolt which is the least effective for sheild stormvermins

Full charge bolt ignores shields and has easy 1sbs sv bps, iirc volcanic bolt has 1sbs cata sv by default

It is baffling how often this guy is wrong about objective facts in a game.

You can also use light attacks to "open" shields and finish with charge, which is faster, that corucation or beam to deal with them.

Only thing that deals better is conflag staff. But only cause of heavy CC so you can deal with whole group at once.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Pulkmees:

Gonna need at least 1 shield guy to hold them back, while rest hack at them.
Shove shove attack is useless if 4-5 of them attack you at different times. You shove away all your stamina to get stunlocked by the other 4.

For fast killing, Handguns.

Otherwise its kiting them to a higher place, then you drop down and kill off the first couple then repeat.

Shield guy can easykill em by himself. Cause on proper shilds you ingore enemy shields, and even on mace+shield you can open them with ease. (spear + shield is not a shield weapon and, in fact, garbage altogehter, so dont even care how it perform vs sv. If you use it you subscribed to suffer and learn nothing)

[AmesNFire]

Get behind them and use staggering attacks if alone, outmaneuver and surround them if two or more people. Shieldvermin aren't that difficult. they just happen to be good at stopping LMB+W players.

[Pulkmees]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Originally posted by Pulkmees:

Gonna need at least 1 shield guy to hold them back, while rest hack at them.
Shove shove attack is useless if 4-5 of them attack you at different times. You shove away all your stamina to get stunlocked by the other 4.

For fast killing, Handguns.

Otherwise its kiting them to a higher place, then you drop down and kill off the first couple then repeat.

Shield guy can easykill em by himself. Cause on proper shilds you ingore enemy shields, and even on mace+shield you can open them with ease. (spear + shield is not a shield weapon and, in fact, garbage altogehter, so dont even care how it perform vs sv. If you use it you subscribed to suffer and learn nothing)

Yes. That's what I do. But that's mostly possible for only Ranger Vet, OE and Huntsman. I never use Shield and Mace with Huntsman and I ONLY use Shield and Mace with Ranger Vet and.
OP was talking about ranged classes against massed Shield Vermin so Pyro, BW, Waystalker and someone with bad build suffers the most. But maybe they should.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Pulkmees:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Shield guy can easykill em by himself. Cause on proper shilds you ingore enemy shields, and even on mace+shield you can open them with ease. (spear + shield is not a shield weapon and, in fact, garbage altogehter, so dont even care how it perform vs sv. If you use it you subscribed to suffer and learn nothing)

Yes. That's what I do. But that's mostly possible for only Ranger Vet, OE and Huntsman. I never use Shield and Mace with Huntsman and I ONLY use Shield and Mace with Ranger Vet and.
OP was talking about ranged classes against massed Shield Vermin so Pyro, BW, Waystalker and someone with bad build suffers the most. But maybe they should.

then i see no reason to mess up with his frintline and let them do their job, while using ranged to deal with specials and cover shield guy from trash on his back. THat was part of my point. Shield guys should be more than okay with shielded SV, unless they have room temperature IQ. IN latter case you cant count on them holding SV either, they might suddenly start running around and cursing their teammates for "wrongbuild".