Is versus still unplayable for rats?

[Ol'Chum]

Rats seem to do no dmg and everything one shots. Its kinda not fun?

[Dante]

Originally posted by Ol'Chum:

Rats seem to do no dmg and everything one shots. Its kinda not fun?

lol you have to play strategically, you cant rush in as a rat, and only as an ogre, somewhat. Its suppose to be this way and leans on l4d2, where its there same thing; infected get one shot mostly. If they wouldnt, theyd be insanely overpowered in constrast to measly humans

[Ol'Chum]

Originally posted by nephilim:

Originally posted by Ol'Chum:

Rats seem to do no dmg and everything one shots. Its kinda not fun?

lol you have to play strategically, you cant rush in as a rat, and only as an ogre, somewhat. Its suppose to be this way and leans on l4d2, where its there same thing; infected get one shot mostly. If they wouldnt, theyd be insanely overpowered in constrast to measly humans

The problem is everything kinda does no dmg for heroes? I am a modded cataclysm player and it just seems... too easy? I dont know what strategy you have to use vs a full party of people who are used to averaging 60+ specials a game each?

[(V-army)Commissar Vic]

Versus is BS and I'm finally seriously thinking of uninstalling this buggy dead game. Some nimrods on this PvP are sus AF. They can't use duct tape on PvE, but are killing machines in PvP. Yeah, right... totally legit.

[ZEONesp]

Unplayable? hahaha is far easier to play as rat than hero...

[Arc]

if you play strategicacally and gas me, ill walk thru it
if u take time ro think, ive reached the next goal already
if you grab anyone, ill 1 shot them with my infinite range auto-aim special move that kills the entire lineup in 1 hit
if you become troll, my buddy will delete 80% of its hp within a second of contact by pressing f once
if you shoot me, we'll just shoot you harder
if you summon rats, thanks for the free temp hp, ill use it to walk through more gas

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by nephilim:

Originally posted by Ol'Chum:

Rats seem to do no dmg and everything one shots. Its kinda not fun?

lol you have to play strategically, you cant rush in as a rat, and only as an ogre, somewhat. Its suppose to be this way and leans on l4d2, where its there same thing; infected get one shot mostly. If they wouldnt, theyd be insanely overpowered in constrast to measly humans

No, not really. Survivors are completely broken in L4D2 too to the point that the most competitive players moved to the Confogl mod which nerfs massively survivors to give infected a chance outside of certain chokepoints.

[Arc]

Left4Dead 2 versus was
- As humans
A rushing simulator, you just walk forward the entire time and you'd go so fast that the zombies would have to constantly struggle to even spawn in
- As zombies
A getting silently kicked simulator because you didn't instantly down a human within 5 seconds of spawning or missed a single shot with anything

[ZEONesp]

Confirmed, people is super trash playing as rats. Rats are balanced but people has no clue how to play it.

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by ZEONesp:

Confirmed, people is super trash playing as rats. Rats are balanced but people has no clue how to play it.

Disagree on the "rats are balanced". It's clearly on favour of the heroes, however, it is true that many exagerate how big the advantage is: it is big, but not gamebreaking unless you're that 0.001%.

[The Pollie]

Your goal isn't to wipe their team. Your goal is to deny them as many points as possible.

[Fobian]

Originally posted by (V-army)Commissar Vic:

Versus is BS and I'm finally seriously thinking of uninstalling this buggy dead game. Some nimrods on this PvP are sus AF. They can't use duct tape on PvE, but are killing machines in PvP. Yeah, right... totally legit.

Dude, I played against you today, and you literally abandoned the game because you were destroyed so hard. Your lack of skill has nothing to do with cheaters/bugs, stop looking for excuses.

[ZEONesp]

Originally posted by NeloDante:

Originally posted by ZEONesp:

Confirmed, people is super trash playing as rats. Rats are balanced but people has no clue how to play it.

Disagree on the "rats are balanced". It's clearly on favour of the heroes, however, it is true that many exagerate how big the advantage is: it is big, but not gamebreaking unless you're that 0.001%.

When I play with friend, we win 95% of the games simply talking and knowing what we do. When Iplay with randoms 50%.

People spawn behind the heroes and start pursuiting. You must stop and delay their progress, not push them to run faster. I can understand the hooker strat tho.

Also, most of the people don't see the "momentum" to kill, for EX: 1 player downed and gasrat is zone zooning the place, he is doing something else, assasing should catch the recuer etc...

As rat, you must predict the heroes and see the momentum to act quickly, the famous "combo wombo"

I also see that 50% of the players playing random but bought the game, they are learning in pvp which brings nothing good.

How many times did you play with a lvl1 player? uff

Again, Rats are very powerful but they must delay the advance and kill them little by little. Focus and choose the right moment.


The same happens as heroe, when you see someone walking alone, stopping to kill a rat etc..then you know u are done xD

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by ZEONesp:

How many times did you play with a lvl1 player? uff

An absurd amount. However this doesn't stop a full stack of good players. 4 veterans with 4 good range options and one or two anti boss classes and the rats have little to no choices.
Horde can slow them down, yes, but they get THP so the damage gets nullified. Gas gets ignored, gunners die within seconds, grabbers can't get in and unironically Warpfire throwers deal the most dmg when they go kamikaze.

It is true that Packmasters are stronger in Vs compared to its campaign version and Gunner is slightly stronger too, except Gutter Runner who's definetly weaker and are not allowed for some reason to pounce downed heroes and their invis is not a teleport.

To say rats are balanced they have to:
- Remove THP
- Remove medkits (draughts should be OK, just less of them)
- Heroes should only be allowed to go down once, next is lethal.

Then we would start seeing a much balanced Vs and I'm pretty sure that even with that, good heroes would still win most of the time against rats.

[Arc]

that would just see people spamming high mobility classes because the game is balanced around temp hp

[grafik]

Originally posted by ZEONesp:

Confirmed, people is super trash playing as rats. Rats are balanced but people has no clue how to play it.

That is because there is no chance of learning lol.

I can't even pick play as a rt, it's random.
Let's agree that this has awesome potential, but as usual FS has found a way of messing it up totally.
YOu have Hero players with years of Cata XP and only Noob Rats who can't train.
What is fun about that?