Has versus ruined the game?

[caligero3000]

I have heard rumblings on the internet that the new versus mode has ruined the regular single player game modes for this game, is this true? Supposedly, the devs re-balanced and re-made everything around the new versus mode and now single players say that the game sucks.

[Morghy]

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

I have heard rumblings on the internet that the new versus mode has ruined the regular single player game modes for this game, is this true? Supposedly, the devs re-balanced and re-made everything around the new versus mode and now single players say that the game sucks.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

[caligero3000]

Originally posted by Morghy:

What?

[caligero3000]

Originally posted by NeloDante:

Originally posted by caligero3000:

I have heard rumblings on the internet that the new versus mode has ruined the regular single player game modes for this game, is this true? Supposedly, the devs re-balanced and re-made everything around the new versus mode and now single players say that the game sucks.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

I've read steam reviews that state that the devs ruined the game by adding versus, so i dunno...

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

Originally posted by NeloDante:

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

I've read steam reviews that state that the devs ruined the game by adding versus, so i dunno...

And I'm telling you that they're completely wrong. You can read the patchnotes yourself or... open the game since you own it and test how literally the moment you enter Vs lobby the talents and weapons work differently.

[caligero3000]

Originally posted by NeloDante:

Originally posted by caligero3000:

I've read steam reviews that state that the devs ruined the game by adding versus, so i dunno...

And I'm telling you that they're completely wrong. You can read the patchnotes yourself or... open the game since you own it and test how literally the moment you enter Vs lobby the talents and weapons work differently.

Oh. okay.

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

Oh. okay.

Notice that those with negative reviews with straight up lies do not allow for comments on such reviews.

One thing is leaving a bad review for whatever reason you think so, you don't like the game or whatever, sure. Leaving a bad review saying the devs did something that never happened? Cringe as ♥♥♥♥.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

Originally posted by NeloDante:

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

I've read steam reviews that state that the devs ruined the game by adding versus, so i dunno...

It's mostly crutch users who can't fathom that nerfing overpowered stuff could be for the sake of balance and not because of versus.

Devs have been very clear about keeping versus and pve balance separate.

[MrSupHermann]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

I have heard rumblings on the internet that the new versus mode has ruined the regular single player game modes for this game, is this true? Supposedly, the devs re-balanced and re-made everything around the new versus mode and now single players say that the game sucks.

With Versus release, we had a progression rework to help new players getting equipment and levels faster. Long story short, loot/craft drop rates are changed and it's not well received by everyone.
A bug was introduced along with it, resetting a part of progression for some players, and devs are fixing it. Some people were deeply annoyed about it.
The same update introduced Engineer/Priest nerfs, criticized by ruffled OPness abusers falsely claiming it was because of Versus.

And to answer about Versus/campaign balance:

Originally posted by FatsharkCatfish:

Will there be separate balancing between Versus and base game? How will you balance Versus?

Yes. However we will strive to have it as close to Adventure as we can so that the experience is as close as possible. We will not do balance changes to Adventure in favour of Versus.

We will look at Hero weapons and talent balancing, but also looking at, for instance, buffing or tweaking the Pactsworn side. We’ll be relying on player and internal feedback, as well as our statistics to achieve a good point of balance, but it will be an ongoing task, for sure.

Versus FAQ[forums.fatsharkgames.com]

[ZEONesp]

how the hell can you think that? hahaha

In fact pvp resurrected this game with new players and old glory heroes playing again.

[O_T]

Battle Wizard with Lingering Flames is now weaker in PvE. It's not related to Versus but with Versus release they fixed Incendiary Bombs thrown by her stacking DoT more times then intended. This loweres hugely the damage potential, especially against monsters and bosses.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Originally posted by caligero3000:

Originally posted by NeloDante:

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

I've read steam reviews that state that the devs ruined the game by adding versus, so i dunno...

Misinformation on the internet? Why, I never!

[tfun]

The complaints have greatly increased since the rework to PvE, it realy seems more to some PvE tweaks and fixing changes, although what is done in one mode can at times definitely affect the other. Complex programming. Any fairly large scale coding overhauls, IE the rework, will cause bugs but also ntended changes not fully explained - and not always easy to do without writing a book - which occurred with the rework about the actual degree of difficulty add to levels and such make the game play very differently until one has played it for a good bit.

[Mason]

Originally posted by NeloDante:

Originally posted by caligero3000:

I have heard rumblings on the internet that the new versus mode has ruined the regular single player game modes for this game, is this true? Supposedly, the devs re-balanced and re-made everything around the new versus mode and now single players say that the game sucks.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

Source?

[Maximum997]

Originally posted by Mason:

Originally posted by NeloDante:

You are completely and utterly wrong. Whoever said that lied, the balance is different when you enter VS compared to any PvE content, they don't share the same values at all. PvE was untouched meanwhile stuff was nerfed inside PvP and only in PvP.

Source?

Just look at talents and ult CD in pve.
Then join versus and look on the same talents and ult CD there.

For example lingering Flames of BW cant be picked in versus at all. Because there is no way to make it not opressive.