Spawn of Chaos

[i am not your brah]

I've read that it is a rare boss that can appear in the Chaos Wastes along with the Bile Troll, all due to the inclusion of the Beastmen. All that's recommended is to repeatedly play Citadel of Eternity, but even then, the chances are low. Everyone knows that to obtain the white skins, these objectives are necessary. Is it possible that Fatshark has never addressed this issue?

[Olde]

The arenas at the end of the third and fourth expeditions—Arena of Determination and Citadel of Eternity—guarantee two grudge marked monsters. If you've completed all of the other objectives for getting the purified skin for your preferred character, then roll up Arena of Determinations on any difficulty for solo play and check the final tile for Skaven, Chaos or Chaos, Beastmen before starting the expedition. If it says one of those, then you'll at least roll a 50/50 chance of getting a spawn of chaos on the final arena. You should also get a grudge marked monster if you open a chest of trials on a +Monsters tile before the final arena. I have 14 purified skins so far and am working on the rest of them so I share your pain.

[Emilia Tempest]

Originally posted by Olde:

The arenas at the end of the third and fourth expeditions—Arena of Determination and Citadel of Eternity—guarantee two grudge marked monsters. If you've completed all of the other objectives for getting the purified skin for your preferred character, then roll up Arena of Determinations on any difficulty for solo play and check the final tile for Skaven, Chaos or Chaos, Beastmen before starting the expedition. If it says one of those, then you'll at least roll a 50/50 chance of getting a spawn of chaos on the final arena. You should also get a grudge marked monster if you open a chest of trials on a +Monsters tile before the final arena. I have 14 purified skins so far and am working on the rest of them so I share your pain.

Actually, Arena of Determination is a worse farm for a specific boss than citadel of Eternity
Simply because in Arena of Determination, you will have a 50-50 on the right race to be picked for the boss (you can, for example, get 2 times skaven and therefore two rat ogres)
So you have to first meet a 50% chance for the right race (skaven or chaos), and then another 50% chance for the right boss(troll or spawn), which will be a whole 25% chance to happen (twice but still)
However, in Citadel of Eternity, you only need to win a single 50% chance (troll or spawn) since the game forces one boss of each race (so 1 skaven and 1 chaos boss for skaven/chaos)
Dont ask why they are different, I have no clue, they just are different

On paper, this might sound like both are 50% chance, but due to how chance works, the 2x25% is actually a 43.75% chance of at least one prefered spawn to be happening (aka 6.25% less likely)
Not much but yknow, adds up with the attempts


Though the rest in your post applies to Citadel of Eternity, look at the last map when booting up the run, if it says "skaven/chaos" then go do that run, if it says "skaven/beastmen" quit and relaunch the run (there is no "chaos/beastmen" in chaos wastes, idk why, campaign maps have sections where no skaven spawn and still get specials)

And the +monster = chest has a boss is also true, I dont know if it also is fully determined by the race, but I'd assume so as well (so only bother with "skaven/chaos" maps that got +monster)
Recruit cant have a grudgemarked monster outside the last level (so dont bother with +monster there)
Veteran can have one once you enter 4th level (aka level before the last level)
Champion once you enter the 3rd level
Legend once you enter the 2nd level
And Cataclysm can have it from the 1st level already

Also, Grimnirs Blessing (the one that forces a monster spawn but get extra HP when you slay it), the one Tzeentch Curse that spawns eggs so monsters spawn and any non-chest spawning monster can never be grudgemarked. Even on Cataclysm

[i am not your brah]

Originally posted by Emilia Tempest:

Originally posted by Olde:

The arenas at the end of the third and fourth expeditions—Arena of Determination and Citadel of Eternity—guarantee two grudge marked monsters. If you've completed all of the other objectives for getting the purified skin for your preferred character, then roll up Arena of Determinations on any difficulty for solo play and check the final tile for Skaven, Chaos or Chaos, Beastmen before starting the expedition. If it says one of those, then you'll at least roll a 50/50 chance of getting a spawn of chaos on the final arena. You should also get a grudge marked monster if you open a chest of trials on a +Monsters tile before the final arena. I have 14 purified skins so far and am working on the rest of them so I share your pain.

Actually, Arena of Determination is a worse farm for a specific boss than citadel of Eternity
Simply because in Arena of Determination, you will have a 50-50 on the right race to be picked for the boss (you can, for example, get 2 times skaven and therefore two rat ogres)
So you have to first meet a 50% chance for the right race (skaven or chaos), and then another 50% chance for the right boss(troll or spawn), which will be a whole 25% chance to happen (twice but still)
However, in Citadel of Eternity, you only need to win a single 50% chance (troll or spawn) since the game forces one boss of each race (so 1 skaven and 1 chaos boss for skaven/chaos)
Dont ask why they are different, I have no clue, they just are different

On paper, this might sound like both are 50% chance, but due to how chance works, the 2x25% is actually a 43.75% chance of at least one prefered spawn to be happening (aka 6.25% less likely)
Not much but yknow, adds up with the attempts


Though the rest in your post applies to Citadel of Eternity, look at the last map when booting up the run, if it says "skaven/chaos" then go do that run, if it says "skaven/beastmen" quit and relaunch the run (there is no "chaos/beastmen" in chaos wastes, idk why, campaign maps have sections where no skaven spawn and still get specials)

And the +monster = chest has a boss is also true, I dont know if it also is fully determined by the race, but I'd assume so as well (so only bother with "skaven/chaos" maps that got +monster)
Recruit cant have a grudgemarked monster outside the last level (so dont bother with +monster there)
Veteran can have one once you enter 4th level (aka level before the last level)
Champion once you enter the 3rd level
Legend once you enter the 2nd level
And Cataclysm can have it from the 1st level already

Also, Grimnirs Blessing (the one that forces a monster spawn but get extra HP when you slay it), the one Tzeentch Curse that spawns eggs so monsters spawn and any non-chest spawning monster can never be grudgemarked. Even on Cataclysm

Comprehensive, thanks to both of you! But I was wondering what happens with Twitch mode. If I set it to 300%, two Monsters appear right from the start. However, it seems excessive, even in champion mode I couldn't last long enough to complete the first level due to the number of enemies the game generated.

[Emilia Tempest]

Originally posted by i am not your brah:

Comprehensive, thanks to both of you! But I was wondering what happens with Twitch mode. If I set it to 300%, two Monsters appear right from the start. However, it seems excessive, even in champion mode I couldn't last long enough to complete the first level due to the number of enemies the game generated.

I think twitch also doesnt spawn grudgemarked bosses, found nothing in the possible modifiers that can happen by twitch mode (all the boss spawners just say "spawns X boss" so I'd assume its the same as tzeentch eggs, normal map monster and grimnirs blessing or other non-chest spawned monsters)
Though I personally have never played with Twitch so cant confirm that they cant spawn as grudgemarked, though from the other sources that cant spawn them, its probably safe to assume they cant there either
(If someone who plays twitch mode knows this better, feel free to correct me)