Javelin nerf is a totally toxic idea

[Malem]

Hey,

"Javelin will see a nerf to armor damage as well as a significant reduction in cleave in an attempt to reduce the extreme versatility of the weapon."
Another nerf in the COOP PVE game? Is this real?
Wait a minute... yes!

"Direction for these changes are inspired by various discussions on our community platforms", - umm, discussed with whom?
Few neverending whining topics in the search for the self expression? Glad they found the listeners.

Somebody is suffering from that javelin? Poor guys feel very bad when there is an elf with the javelin near, helping them to win the run?

Or the game suddenly became easy-peasy with this javelin?
Oh, boy, now I can grab all your vet stuff, finally (no). That shouldn't have happened... Wait, but it's still COOP PVE? Doh.

Better add more reason in the Weaves mode or bring expected rewards for the Cata rather than shuffle the already ok cards, that players are already accustomed with.

Very funny and repulsive.
P.S. "extreme versatility" lol.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by Malem:

P.S. "extreme versatility" lol.

It stunlocks chaos warriors. Oneshots pretty much everything on regular difficulties. Cleaves through hordes like butter. Is the fastest way to kill bosses as kerillian.

How is that not extremely versatile ?

[Malem]

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

Originally posted by Malem:

P.S. "extreme versatility" lol.

It stunlocks chaos warriors. Oneshots pretty much everything on regular difficulties. Cleaves through hordes like butter. Is the fastest way to kill bosses as kerillian.

How is that not extremely versatile ?

Hmm, you're playing for the chaos warrior or pretty much everying? Ah, I forgot, it's not a PVP game.

Lol, it's a pay to win promo nerf. Play paid chars and feel ok :)

[EvilNando]

fatshart only likes when all weapons are as useless as the moonbow or the hagbane
this game is not being balanced with cataclysm difficulty in mind even tho we had to pay for it

whatever I already had a good amount of fun with this game , if they want to ruin it so be it ,
maybe it is time I finally move on

[balls]

Originally posted by EvilNando:

fatshart only likes when all weapons are as useless as the moonbow or the hagbane
this game is not being balanced with cataclysm difficulty in mind even tho we had to pay for it

whatever I already had a good amount of fun with this game , if they want to ruin it so be it ,
maybe it is time I finally move on

Moonfire is a valid option for any career except for Waywatcher. Hagbane is pretty much meta on Waywatcher.

[ProtoShel]

Took 'em long enough to nerf them, along with the coru staff. If they toned down the griffonfoots too that'd be great.

[Pulkmees]

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

Originally posted by Malem:

P.S. "extreme versatility" lol.

It stunlocks chaos warriors. Oneshots pretty much everything on regular difficulties. Cleaves through hordes like butter. Is the fastest way to kill bosses as kerillian.

How is that not extremely versatile ?

So why did they nerf it's ONLY unique quality ?
Problem was that it was used to spam into hordes and and to kill every random rat you saw. Nerf that.

They should communicate what its actual intended use is then.
Is it suppose to be good at killing monsters ?
Is it suppose to be good at killing armored enemies ?
Is it suppose to be good at killing specials ?
What classes should benefit from it most ? There's zero synergy with talents with this weapon. Don't just nerf and then its completely useless on Sott, the damn character it's suppose to be used with.
What does it offer over other kerillian weapons, so I'll ACTUALLY choose it based on that. Preferably something thats fun and not annoying to other players.
Cause piercing through enemies seems to be the only thing helping it compete against Longbow and Hagbane as WS on Cata. On Legend and lower you can get kills with everything.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by Pulkmees:

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

It stunlocks chaos warriors. Oneshots pretty much everything on regular difficulties. Cleaves through hordes like butter. Is the fastest way to kill bosses as kerillian.

How is that not extremely versatile ?

So why did they nerf it's ONLY unique quality ?
Problem was that it was used to spam into hordes and and to kill every random rat you saw. Nerf that.

They should communicate what its actual intended use is then.
Is it suppose to be good at killing monsters ?
Is it suppose to be good at killing armored enemies ?
Is it suppose to be good at killing specials ?
What classes should benefit from it most ? There's zero synergy with talents with this weapon. Don't just nerf and then its completely useless on Sott, the damn character it's suppose to be used with.
What does it offer over other kerillian weapons, so I'll ACTUALLY choose it based on that. Preferably something thats fun and not annoying to other players.
Cause piercing through enemies seems to be the only thing helping it compete against Longbow and Hagbane as WS on Cata. On Legend and lower you can get kills with everything.

Why are you asking me, did I make the balance changes ? Im just pointing out that it indeed is extremely versatile.

The benefit over the longbow is supposed to be infinite ammo.

[Irinka]

People have been complaining about it since release that it's op and pay to win so they finally got their wish.

As an elf main I hate it, it's her best ranged, but gonna wait to test it first might not be that big of a deal hopefully...

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by Irinka:

People have been complaining about it since release that it's op and pay to win so they finally got their wish.

As an elf main I hate it, it's her best ranged, but gonna wait to test it first might not be that big of a deal hopefully...

Exactly. Its her best ranged. Thats the problem. Before that it was the moonbow, which got balanced, now its time for another outlier.

There isn't supposed to be a single best one.

There's swiftbow for quick shots against soft enemies.
Hagbane for bosses and hordes.
Longbow for headshots and armor damage.
And then javelin that does it all with infinite ammo ...

[Irinka]

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

Originally posted by Irinka:

People have been complaining about it since release that it's op and pay to win so they finally got their wish.

As an elf main I hate it, it's her best ranged, but gonna wait to test it first might not be that big of a deal hopefully...

Exactly. Its her best ranged. Thats the problem. Before that it was the moonbow, which got balanced, now its time for another outlier.

There isn't supposed to be a single best one.

There's swiftbow for quick shots against soft enemies.
Hagbane for bosses and hordes.
Longbow for headshots and armor damage.
And then javelin that does it all with infinite ammo ...

You say balanced I say nerfed. Used to love moonbow now I don't see the point in picking it, longbow does a much better job imo except the infinite ammo part. Hope same thing doesn't happen here.

I think there is always going to be a "best weapon". That's why all classes have their meta. But having that weapon inside a DLC I can understand people getting mad at that.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by Irinka:

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

Exactly. Its her best ranged. Thats the problem. Before that it was the moonbow, which got balanced, now its time for another outlier.

There isn't supposed to be a single best one.

There's swiftbow for quick shots against soft enemies.
Hagbane for bosses and hordes.
Longbow for headshots and armor damage.
And then javelin that does it all with infinite ammo ...

You say balanced I say nerfed. Used to love moonbow now I don't see the point in picking it, longbow does a much better job imo except the infinite ammo part. Hope same thing doesn't happen here.

I think there is always going to be a "best weapon". That's why all classes have their meta. But having that weapon inside a DLC I can understand people getting mad at that.

Moonbow used to be even more busted than the javelin. Now its a longbow that sacrifices upfront damage for infinite ammo and delayed kills. Its perfectly fine, and can be used. Especially on characters like shade (if javelin didn't exist) or handmaiden (if javelin didn't exist). Too bad javelin exists, and fills every role too well including melee damage for shade backstabs. The nerf was long coming, and if people are mad about it, they can go complain to steam and try to get a refund.

[Benny]

Here comes the inevitable elf mains moaning about their javelin spam finally being nerfed.
Learn to melee instead.

It brings me imense joy to witness.

[Irinka]

Originally posted by Ing. Ithiridiel:

Originally posted by Irinka:

You say balanced I say nerfed. Used to love moonbow now I don't see the point in picking it, longbow does a much better job imo except the infinite ammo part. Hope same thing doesn't happen here.

I think there is always going to be a "best weapon". That's why all classes have their meta. But having that weapon inside a DLC I can understand people getting mad at that.

Moonbow used to be even more busted than the javelin. Now its a longbow that sacrifices upfront damage for infinite ammo and delayed kills. Its perfectly fine, and can be used. Especially on characters like shade (if javelin didn't exist) or handmaiden (if javelin didn't exist). Too bad javelin exists, and fills every role too well including melee damage for shade backstabs. The nerf was long coming, and if people are mad about it, they can go complain to steam and try to get a refund.

Im not happy or thrilled about it but not mad either can play other weapons too. And the "balance" as you say haven't come yet so I'll try to stay optimistic for now haha. Besides im used to weapons being nerfed in this game every now and then. Wonder which one will be next?

[Viscount Danku]

Cleave is a fair nerf, it shouldn't be that good at clearing hordes and piercing even armored enemies. But nerfing an actual damage? I guess their smoothbrain monkey for a tester was using a waystalker damage numbers as a reference. On any other class on Legend it can't oneshot SV or Axe Dudes unless it crits, can't oneshot packmasters and globadiers unless it's a headshot. Throw in a slower travel time and arc trajectory coupled with a very slow attack speed (and reload animation) and using javelin effectively in a middle of an action actually takes some skills.

As for Chaos Warriors - It takes 5-6 shots to put them down (with a long-ass reload animation), basically same time and effort as longbow, if not longer.

I guess I will be switching back to Longbow and stealing any ammo I come around.

I am Saltzpyre main btw, but running shade elf is one of my guilty pleasures.

[ZZZZZ]

its a spear and not a rock, it doesnt make sense to reduce its armor penetration.. it would be simply unrealistic cause a spear is piercing and a thrown spear is always more piercing than an arrow