How are you supposed to properly play Ranger Veteran?

[TrumpYoRump]

I'm not very good at this game so I can't say for certain what's good and what isn't when it comes to making class builds, but Ranger Veteran for Bardin just seems like a waste of time, at least to me.

On Champion difficulty, i'm getting absolutely butchered trying to play this class. It's not necessarily the play style, I know you're supposed to use your gun/crossbow more, but the problem for me is that I feel WAY to fragile. I get hit once by a fodder Skaven unit and half of my damn health goes away. I can't stick close to my allies for protection because then, i just get stuck in a melee where i'm weakest and get slapped around like a punk ♥♥♥♥♥. I also can't stray too far away and hit enemies at range because I'm then vulnerable to even the weakest of enemies if I get caught alone. I just end up shooting my allies in the back while trying to line up hordes with my weapon anyway.

The talents don't seem very enticing either. I'm Level 33 with Bardin (I don't have WOM) and I don't feel anymore effective than I did at Level 5. If my role is to be a glass cannon, then the skills don't really reflect that and the Ranger Stealth ability ends up screwing me over more than it helps. I can't use it in hordes because when it runs out, I'm caught in the center of a gigantic cluster-♥♥♥♥ and die because i have zero survivability. The damage against Monster's is nice, but it isn't worth it in my opinion if I'm just going to get one shot in every situation i'm in.

I end up just using Ironbreaker or Slayer for Bardin because those are just more fun to play in my opinion and have a lot more to offer. Ironbreaker in particular is basically god mode, so I don't see why anyone would have any practical use for Ranger when Kruber's Huntsman is basically the same thing, but better.

I dunno, am i playing him wrong? Or do i just need to make a build around him? I want to get good with him but it's such a pain in the ass to get tousled around like nothing and get kicked from matches because i keep going down so much.

[Emmanuelexe]

I think they nerfed his shotgun a bit too much :/ He was very good pretty much because of this weapon.
Double hammer can make him very safe, i use it on cataclysm with Ranger, 30% less damage when headshot works with melee and reset without limits, spam double hammer with hitting on the head and its good for your defense.

Shotgun is still the best deal for him i think, more ammo make it very fun, if you use another ranged weap like crossbow,potions/bomb can be taken and are very good for the team too.

10% move speed looks nice too but since you are supposed to stay with your group when there is a horde, i use more "defensive" talent on legend/cata than move speed (thats just me).

[Ripthejack3r]

I think you should use ur ult when reviving players, or if you need to take out a strong enemie, dont use it and run in the middle of the horde, keep your gaurd up when it is about to run out, If u want me to run a couple games with you and help you out I will, it is much easier to give advice while playing cause you can ask me questions as they arise

[Ripthejack3r]

See playing ironbreaker alot is going to reinforce bad habits because you can take alot of hits with him, when you are starting out it is good to play squishy classes because then you learn to defend better and not take as many hits, it gets ingrained into you muscle memory, alot of the higher play in this game comes from that, learning to attack and when to defend, yes you will get less kills when starting out but in the long run you will be a better player and be able to enter legend and above, which is really when the game starts(most rewarding) in my opinion

[Nezzus]

If you are very very good at Ranger Vet, you can do 30% of Sienna's damage at Cata.

He is a Ranger and he is a Veteran but for some reason FS decide to do a douchbag class

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

RV is a amazing support class!
With free bombs/pots + 10% not to use bomb/pot/meds and use traits to get that % up even more you can throw the same bomb around 4-5 times if lucky.
Use throwing axe with barrage and %dmg vs armor and you can almost 1 shoot everything except for CW with demand 5 axes.
You dont need ammo then.
Go for big hammer, during ult you see everything fly and you going to ult alot so go with the free bomb on ult.

As soon as a hoard comes in vision, ult, bomb, pot, bash bash bash, ult again, more bombs and if you are lucky you get more pots!

And yes, i have run cata with RV using that setup. U dont need 30%dmg reduction if nothing gets near you

[Red Sabre]

Messaggio originale di Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

RV is a amazing support class!
With free bombs/pots + 10% not to use bomb/pot/meds and use traits to get that % up even more you can throw the same bomb around 4-5 times if lucky.
Use throwing axe with barrage and %dmg vs armor and you can almost 1 shoot everything except for CW with demand 5 axes.
You dont need ammo then.
Go for big hammer, during ult you see everything fly and you going to ult alot so go with the free bomb on ult.

As soon as a hoard comes in vision, ult, bomb, pot, bash bash bash, ult again, more bombs and if you are lucky you get more pots!

And yes, i have run cata with RV using that setup. U dont need 30%dmg reduction if nothing gets near you

He said he doesn't have WoM and yet you suggest him to use throwing axes...

[Sticky Mick]

Here's a "support" build I regularly play on Legend.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/792002368481171295/711D904E1853188DAE3F8AEAE642DC3062EC4A0C/

The purpose is to generate bombs and potions from specials. If you have the proxy trait you share the effects of a potion with another team mate - so you just down pots when things are difficult, speed potions are really good.

The "don't consume bombs on ult" talent means you can keep recycling the same bomb over and over again if you throw one less than every 2 minutes. The "explosive ordnace" trait increases the blast radius by 50%. Fire bombs are really good for demolishing hordes.

Because I prioritised bombs/potion drops from specials over ammo, you can't just mindlessly spam targets. I use a handgun with conservative shooter for ammo regen for bullet sustain. You pretty much only shoot elites and specials. Cross bow works fine too and throwing axe (but you don't have WoM).

For melee you want a stagger weapon to generate temp health with your tier 1 talent. Pick whatever you are comfortable using. Dual hammers is probably the safest option as you can mindlessly spam light attacks in hordes and it has good mobility. I prefer 1H hammer 'cos the move set is more interesting and it requires a bit more skill to use effectively - a light:light:push-stab chain in hordes and a heavy headshot attack for elites. 2H hammer and shield + axe/hammer are also fine but you're less mobile.

If you want to be more ranged focus and can't headshot consistently, pick a crossbow with the "30% ammo from specials" talent instead of the "bomb/potion" talent. You just have to be a bit more selective when using potions and bombs.

If you want some more range-focused builds,check out this manual from the VT2 Workshop.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1832306381

RV is fun to play but, IMO, it's the weakest ranged class. I consistently get more green circles with BH and Huntsman, but that's not really the point of the game is it?

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

Messaggio originale di Red Sabre:

Messaggio originale di Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

RV is a amazing support class!
With free bombs/pots + 10% not to use bomb/pot/meds and use traits to get that % up even more you can throw the same bomb around 4-5 times if lucky.
Use throwing axe with barrage and %dmg vs armor and you can almost 1 shoot everything except for CW with demand 5 axes.
You dont need ammo then.
Go for big hammer, during ult you see everything fly and you going to ult alot so go with the free bomb on ult.

As soon as a hoard comes in vision, ult, bomb, pot, bash bash bash, ult again, more bombs and if you are lucky you get more pots!

And yes, i have run cata with RV using that setup. U dont need 30%dmg reduction if nothing gets near you

He said he doesn't have WoM and yet you suggest him to use throwing axes...

Then go with crossbow?
Much ammo so you dont need to grab every ammo drop

[Discotooth™]

Messaggio originale di Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

Messaggio originale di Red Sabre:

He said he doesn't have WoM and yet you suggest him to use throwing axes...

Then go with crossbow?
Much ammo so you dont need to grab every ammo drop

Shotgun is fine if you just focus on armoured / berserk. Gun down elites / stormvermin, if ammo is plentiful at that moment feel free to spam into hordes too.

Bardin is actually VERY good at melee, even with Ranger Veteran. You generally guard the back of the group, clear everybody elses sides and rear. Panic button on ultimate, don't be afraid to carry a conq pot for that.


Also, Hello Rider of Retarded Lion Prince!

[Nezzus]

Can someone, who say RV is a good class, show his stats from Cata, where he plays with Siena, Elf and Victor.

Yes, agree that RV is playable at LEgend, but.... but Legend is for p.u.s.s.y.s, so not considered. At Cata Ranger is really weak

[Discotooth™]

Messaggio originale di Nezzus:

Can someone, who say RV is a good class, show his stats from Cata, where he plays with Siena, Elf and Victor.

Yes, agree that RV is playable at LEgend, but.... but Legend is for p.u.s.s.y.s, so not considered. At Cata Ranger is really weak

There is a good five people that play Cata, I for one will never pay for that.

[Soviet Agent]

1sr bardin is trash af in 2.0 like a 2nd kruba patch before, just take it and play on normal classes

[Ripthejack3r]

Sticky answered OP question best, whether or not his class is worth putting your time into when you are new to the game...idk, Ranger veteran was the last class I maxed out out of everything