Difference between Legend and Cataclysm

[Nox]

So me an my pals are slowly trying out legend and even tho we get our asses kicked a whole bunch from time to time, its fun.

Got me thinking, how Hard is cata? More enemies, more frequent and bigger hordes? How tanky are bosses?

[Lilith™]

hordes are more or less the same, but every enemy can 1 hit you (2 hits if they are generous). The armored enemies are tankier (1.5x more health), bosses and monsters are tankier, patrols are larger (tipping off a chaos patrol usually ends in death), specials spawns constantly and there are multiple of them, and more frequent horde waves. More fun for the whole team.

[Lilith™]

in legend usually random character mashups can make it work, but in cataclysm you need teamwork and need to support each other all game. Basically to sum it all up:
recruit-champion = easy difficulty
legend = normal difficulty
cataclysm = normal++ difficulty (i'm saying normal++ because with good teamwork it's not THAT hard)

[VernonKun]

Originally posted by Lilith™:

hordes are more or less the same, but every enemy can 1 hit you (2 hits if they are generous). The armored enemies are tankier (1.5x more health), bosses and monsters are tankier, patrols are larger (tipping off a chaos patrol usually ends in death), specials spawns constantly and there are multiple of them, and more frequent horde waves. More fun for the whole team.

Most of these are not accurate

[Jodo]

Originally posted by VernonKun:

Originally posted by Lilith™:

hordes are more or less the same, but every enemy can 1 hit you (2 hits if they are generous). The armored enemies are tankier (1.5x more health), bosses and monsters are tankier, patrols are larger (tipping off a chaos patrol usually ends in death), specials spawns constantly and there are multiple of them, and more frequent horde waves. More fun for the whole team.

Most of these are not accurate

Then, what is ?

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Jodo:

Originally posted by VernonKun:

Most of these are not accurate

Then, what is ?

hordes become mixed with elites.

trash enemies, if they are single enemy with no other around, can kill you with 3 strikes. Beastmen can with 2. Althouugh they are still affected by damage reduction by numbers, so in horde it would be smth like 16 strikes.

armored enemies (all elites for that matter) are 1,(63) times more tankier (3,3 modifier on lege and 5,4 modifier on cata)

Bosses are 1,(6) times tankier ( 3 and 5 respectively)

Patrols are larger (if you are dead byu tipping off chaos patrols - stay oof cata for now, learn to deal with multiple CW on lege, cause on cata CW patrol is usually easier to deal with in melee, than SV, although SV obviously can be wiped with grenade and ranged weaponry)

Special spawns are more frequent (cant recall how much though) and specials limit is higher (generally 5 max specials on cata vs 3 on lege, IIRC) but general rules are same to lege.

horde timer is 2 times lower (although all modifier aplpy, so actually difference may be less significant, depends on how skilled you are)

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Nopw in addition to what said above, there are more roaming enemies. And IIRC stress reduce faster, than on lege. It means muc much more intense experience for a team. You would constantly be dealing with trash + elites, in horde and out of it, so typical lege stuff wont work, you NEED to know how to deal with every elite type in melee. No excuses or you`re dead.

In my experience gap between cata nad lege is greater, than between lege and vet. Mostly due to a fact, that there are no "role separation" in group in general, so every team member need to be able to deal wtih every type of enemy, hold frontline, kill specials/bosses, etc. Ofc it is not 100% of time, but w/o this skill you gonna fail most of runs. Also there are not that easy to achieve BPs as on lege, so you would need to prioriterise and that limits your loadout.

[veracsthane]

the hordes mixed with elites also tend to be berserkers and plauge rats 4ish of them.there are more eilites on the map too. if you saw a lego run with storm vermine everywhere its like that. im talking like 4+ every room.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hordes: Bigger, much faster spawn rate. Seem to also spawn berserkers sometimes.

Typical rat: 26.5 hp on legend, 36 on Cata.

Specials: Spawn in groups of 5 or 6. Expect not to one shot them, unless you have built for it.

Patrols: Significantly bigger. Chaos patrol is the most dangerous.

Stormvermin: 52.75 hp on legend, 86.5 on Cata.

Plague Monk: 59.5 hp on legend, 97.25 on Cata.

Chaos Warrior: 151.75 hp on legend, 248.5 hp on Cata (very big difference)

Boss: 2.4k hp on legend, 4k on Cata.

Events: Sometimes bosses will spawn during events, where they normally do not on legend.

Opinion: Bosses and patrols will probably wipe you most, until you figure out how to kill them quickly and efficiently. Berserkers will pick off your weak links, who don't know how to play as much. Horde and specials will slow your pace and teach you to be slow, steady, and disciplined.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Hordes: Bigger, much faster spawn rate. Seem to also spawn berserkers sometimes.

true

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Typical rat: 26.5 hp on legend, 36 on Cata.

true

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Specials: Spawn in groups of 5 or 6.

false

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Expect not to one shot them, unless you have built for it.

true, but it is also true for lege

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Patrols: Significantly bigger. Chaos patrol is the most dangerous.

false

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Stormvermin: 52.75 hp on legend, 86.5 on Cata.

Plague Monk: 59.5 hp on legend, 97.25 on Cata.

Chaos Warrior: 151.75 hp on legend, 248.5 hp on Cata (very big difference)

all with same modifier (3,3 vs 5,4), so i dont know why highlight CW specifically.

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Boss: 2.4k hp on legend, 4k on Cata.

he did not specify which, bvut it fits 3 of them. Although it is not biggest HP pool, troll have at least 2700 hp on lege and at least 4,5k hp on cata

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Events: Sometimes bosses will spawn during events, where they normally do not on legend.

cant recalll any, but it was long time ago i played lege, so... maybe.

P.S.
It highlights how many people dont know what actually going on on cata, but have strong opinion about it. Which is funny, considering they use BP calc for their info and think, it contains all needed info.

[S4V6]

There is more stuff different to Cata but those are detailed nuances that a Legend player switching to Cata will not be interested in I suppose, so I won't bore you with those.

[Nox]

Thanks a bunch for the info.

Looking forward to getting my ass kicked on cata by some random enemy in my behind.

[uzze]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Events: Sometimes bosses will spawn during events, where they normally do not on legend.

cant recalll any, but it was long time ago i played lege, so... maybe.

righteous stand finale spawns a monster on cata but not on legend

[BIG E.]

More hordes

Increased max special count

More elites

More health and damage on everything, this is essentially what makes Cata harder for the most part since any elite will be more deadly and tougher compared to Legend

[veracsthane]

for those wondering cata is more fun if you find lego too easy but you wont be geting books. you just wont. its not as fun as twitch mode or as chaotic as the chaos wastes but its fun all the same.

[will i am]

once you get used to legend cata is only a jump above

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by veracsthane:

for those wondering cata is more fun if you find lego too easy but you wont be geting books.

There is nothing wrong with getting books in Cata.

In fact its added challange for people who wants it.