Canon Character Progression

[Gorwe]

So, what's the canon progression of Ubersreik 5? Is it something like this:

Saltz: WH -> WH Cap -> Warrior Priest (this one is weird even if the second choice were a Zealot)

Kerillian: Waywatcher -> Waystalker -> Sister of Thorn

Bardin: Ranger -> Ranger Vet -> Engineer

Sienna: Bright Wizard -> ? (most likely not Unchained) -> dlc career

Markus: Sergeant -> Mercenary / Knight(honestly either could fit) -> Grail Knight

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Is that correct and is there anything supporting that theory in the game?

[MT]

yes,

the careers from vermintide 1 are canon, this is where the story begins.

at/after the end of vermintide 1 the U5 are captured and we start to play the prologue from V2. Notice that Kruber is still an empire knight.

The first vermintide 2 careers are character developments based on vermintide 1. Saltz getting promoted, bardin and kerillian rank up, kruber chooses to finally leave the army and Sienna still being a bright wizard.

The fourth (dlc) careers are character developments based on the first V2 careers. This is considered canon.

The second and third career are NOT canon. Those are alternate realities (for the sake of gameplay variety) who start right after the prologue.
The second careers are considered as a "good" path, while the third are considered as a "bad" path.

For example Kruber: He chooses to become more in thouch with nature and his patron god taal and makins his inner peace, or he chooses not to leave the army, give up on himself and waiting for the end/death.

So youve got that correct.

Edit.: Bardin was an Ironbreaker before V1 starts. But due to some events he laid down his armor and became a ranger, looking for karak norn. There are some voicelines mentioning this.

Edit2.: Source: The offical Warhammer Fantasy wiki

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by MT:

yes,

the careers from vermintide 1 are canon, this is where the story begins.

at/after the end of vermintide 1 the U5 are captured and we start to play the prologue from V2. Notice that Kruber is still an empire knight.

The first vermintide 2 careers are character developments based on vermintide 1. Saltz getting promoted, bardin and kerillian rank up, kruber chooses to finally leave the army and Sienna still being a bright wizard.

The fourth (dlc) careers are character developments based on the first V2 careers. This is considered canon.

The second and third career are NOT canon. Those are alternate realities (for the sake of gameplay variety) who start right after the prologue.
The second careers are considered as a "good" path, while the third are considered as a "bad" path.

For example Kruber: He chooses to become more in thouch with nature and his patron god taal and makins his inner peace, or he chooses not to leave the army, give up on himself and waiting for the end/death.

So youve got that correct.

Edit.: Bardin was an Ironbreaker before V1 starts. But due to some events he laid down his armor and became a ranger, looking for karak norn. There are some voicelines mentioning this.

Edit2.: Source: The offical Warhammer Fantasy wiki

Aha, when you find Kruber in a cage in the tutorial(prologue?) that's meant to represent his VT 1 "form"? I always thought that it was his canon progression, but heard multiple perspectives whether it or Merc were the one. With what you said, it finally makes sense. Thank you!

As for Sienna, how do we even determine whether the true progression is Battle Wizard or Pyromancer? What's the real difference between those two? She's obviously not Unchained.

I've always considered it stupid, but now that I thought a bit better...yeah, it fits. Guess that Fatshark really failed at marketing there. Because it's not /wrist, come on, Markus became a Grail Knight! How awesome is that? Now I'm emboldened and have to try those eventually.

edit: Bardin was looking for Karak Zorn, not Norn. Everyone knows where kNorn is. I know it's a typo, but that's quite a dramatic difference in distance. :p

edit 2: Wait, Knight is the "bad choice" for Markus? I always figured it was the "good choice" and Huntsman was the "get off my lawn type of bad choice".

[MT]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

As for Sienna, how do we even determine whether the true progression is Battle Wizard or Pyromancer? What's the real difference between those two? She's obviously not Unchained.

I'll stick with battle wizard.

From the wiki:
"In order to find peace, Sienna had to temper her addiction. Her flame-lust will always be there, but she now dims it through more structured and organized means. She chose a touch of military discipline to deal with what she ultimately is – an addict. In order to find peace, Sienna had to temper her addiction. Her flame-lust will always be there, but she now dims it through more structured and organized means. She chose a touch of military discipline to deal with what she ultimately is – an addict."

Pyromancers are the offical Bright Wizards of the Empire. That wouldnt fit cause she wasnt on good terms with the empire when V2 starts. (But that may change in the future, one of Lohners Chronicles was about a letter from the colleagues that sienna recieved. Bright Wizard Lord Hint?)

Originally posted by Gorwe:

edit: Bardin was looking for Karak Zorn, not Norn. Everyone knows where kNorn is. I know it's a typo, but that's quite a dramatic difference in distance. :p

Yes, my bad there

Originally posted by Gorwe:

edit 2: Wait, Knight is the "bad choice" for Markus? I always figured it was the "good choice" and Huntsman was the "get off my lawn type of bad choice".

There was an interesting post on reddit a few years ago (not official though). Summing up, Kruber staying in the army means he falls into depression.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by MT:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

As for Sienna, how do we even determine whether the true progression is Battle Wizard or Pyromancer? What's the real difference between those two? She's obviously not Unchained.

I'll stick with battle wizard.

From the wiki:
"In order to find peace, Sienna had to temper her addiction. Her flame-lust will always be there, but she now dims it through more structured and organized means. She chose a touch of military discipline to deal with what she ultimately is – an addict. In order to find peace, Sienna had to temper her addiction. Her flame-lust will always be there, but she now dims it through more structured and organized means. She chose a touch of military discipline to deal with what she ultimately is – an addict."

Pyromancers are the offical Bright Wizards of the Empire. That wouldnt fit cause she wasnt on good terms with the empire when V2 starts. (But that may change in the future, one of Lohners Chronicles was about a letter from the colleagues that sienna recieved. Bright Wizard Lord Hint?)

Originally posted by Gorwe:

edit: Bardin was looking for Karak Zorn, not Norn. Everyone knows where kNorn is. I know it's a typo, but that's quite a dramatic difference in distance. :p

Yes, my bad there

Originally posted by Gorwe:

edit 2: Wait, Knight is the "bad choice" for Markus? I always figured it was the "good choice" and Huntsman was the "get off my lawn type of bad choice".

There was an interesting post on reddit a few years ago (not official though). Summing up, Kruber staying in the army means he falls into depression.

Aha, BaW is simply Sienna with a touch of Discipline and Pyro is just a BrW of the Empire? Do you think those names are mixed up? They always did to me.

Got a link to the Kruber post?

Guess I'm gonna have to purchase and play some VT 2. Even while I do keep to my belief that VT 1 is better for me, watch this self abasement. Playing Vermintide with these DLC careers, what an unholy punishment! :O ;)

Thank you for everything!

[Bran Mak Morn]

Originally posted by MT:

The second and third career are NOT canon. Those are alternate realities (for the sake of gameplay variety) who start right after the prologue.
The second careers are considered as a "good" path, while the third are considered as a "bad" path.

so what's the deal with bounty hunter on saltzpyre? what's that got to do with sigmar and how is that a "good" choice?

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by Temujin:

Originally posted by MT:

The second and third career are NOT canon. Those are alternate realities (for the sake of gameplay variety) who start right after the prologue.
The second careers are considered as a "good" path, while the third are considered as a "bad" path.

so what's the deal with bounty hunter on saltzpyre? what's that got to do with sigmar and how is that a "good" choice?

It's better than Zealot /shrug (which is literally him losing his mind). Maybe it represents him realizing that he can put the past behind him and not overly rely in religion and instituitions?

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by Temujin:

Originally posted by MT:

The second and third career are NOT canon. Those are alternate realities (for the sake of gameplay variety) who start right after the prologue.
The second careers are considered as a "good" path, while the third are considered as a "bad" path.

so what's the deal with bounty hunter on saltzpyre? what's that got to do with sigmar and how is that a "good" choice?

Victor abandons his conflicting scruples in favor of something more rigid and assured in this world: the thrill of the hunt, and the coin. He’s not tied to any institutions anymore, he’s not worried about the right or wrong, he simply determines his own morality and outcome, as well as the outcome of his targets.

[MT]

Victor has a strong inner conflict with his witch hunter order. They gave him the order to execute a young vampire lady. Turned out it was no vampire, just a little girl.

As Bounty Hunter he leaves his and order chooses to fight for whats right in his own eyes. The bounty is problably necessary to survive.

Edit.:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Victor abandons his conflicting scruples in favor of something more rigid and assured in this world: the thrill of the hunt, and the coin. He’s not tied to any institutions anymore, he’s not worried about the right or wrong, he simply determines his own morality and outcome, as well as the outcome of his targets.

^this

[capybaras are cool]

i like that players have different canon on how the characters turn out. i think bardin would end up as slayer, from the evidence in the game, but i also just play tons of slayer

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by MT:

Victor has a strong inner conflict with his witch hunter order. They gave him the order to execute a young vampire lady. Turned out it was no vampire, just a little girl.

As Bounty Hunter he leaves his and order chooses to fight for whats right in his own eyes. The bounty is problably necessary to survive.

Edit.:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Victor abandons his conflicting scruples in favor of something more rigid and assured in this world: the thrill of the hunt, and the coin. He’s not tied to any institutions anymore, he’s not worried about the right or wrong, he simply determines his own morality and outcome, as well as the outcome of his targets.

^this

It's a Dog of War, so automatically the best career for me. Sometimes I wonder whether Zealot should be allowed to use Gunpowder. Don't seem very thematic.

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

i like that players have different canon on how the characters turn out. i think bardin would end up as slayer, from the evidence in the game, but i also just play tons of slayer

Now I'm very interested in this. What makes you think that?

[capybaras are cool]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by MT:

Victor has a strong inner conflict with his witch hunter order. They gave him the order to execute a young vampire lady. Turned out it was no vampire, just a little girl.

As Bounty Hunter he leaves his and order chooses to fight for whats right in his own eyes. The bounty is problably necessary to survive.

Edit.:



^this

It's a Dog of War, so automatically the best career for me. Sometimes I wonder whether Zealot should be allowed to use Gunpowder. Don't seem very thematic.

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

i like that players have different canon on how the characters turn out. i think bardin would end up as slayer, from the evidence in the game, but i also just play tons of slayer

Now I'm very interested in this. What makes you think that?

bardin is alienated by pretty much everyone important to him before the main characters of vt. its implied to be at least partially because of his own actions. for example, he has a daughter who captains a ship from barak varr but its implied hes not on speaking terms with her. kerillian has several lines where she gives him ♥♥♥♥ about not wanting to return to his homeland where its implied he's not really on a search for an ancient dwarfhold like he says and actually just cant go back home. also be'lakor brings up other times bardin has failed people in his life in the enchanters lair mission.

dwarfs go slayer when theyve got a lot of ♥♥♥♥ to be ashamed of and cant find a way to be absolved of it by other means. so i think bardin would become a slayer cuz all of his significant cultural ties hate him for some reason or another and hes not really good at anything except killing, which is the only thing that really matters for a slayer. sure the other vt characters are really good friends to him but he hasnt really freed himself from the dwarfen mindset which can be seen from how defensive he gets when kerillian tries to relate to him on being an exile. so i dont think he'd avoid becoming a slayer just because of them.

[capybaras are cool]

i think kerillian starts as a shade, btw. i dont see how it would work otherwise. it would make her a GIGANTIC SUPER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE for her to escape from being born into the literal most cruel and evil ethnic group of the already evil dark elves but it is theoretically possible to escape that sort of life. but i don't think a non dark elf could have any chance at all in their society.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

i think kerillian starts as a shade, btw. i dont see how it would work otherwise. it would make her a GIGANTIC SUPER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE for her to escape from being born into the literal most cruel and evil ethnic group of the already evil dark elves but it is theoretically possible to escape that sort of life. but i don't think a non dark elf could have any chance at all in their society.

Kerillian is a Dark Elf?

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

i think kerillian starts as a shade, btw. i dont see how it would work otherwise. it would make her a GIGANTIC SUPER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE for her to escape from being born into the literal most cruel and evil ethnic group of the already evil dark elves but it is theoretically possible to escape that sort of life. but i don't think a non dark elf could have any chance at all in their society.

Kerillian is a Dark Elf?

When Sienna asks if Ker worships the light or dark gods, Ker just says "Yes". She's essentially both light and dark.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Kerillian is a Dark Elf?

When Sienna asks if Ker worships the light or dark gods, Ker just says "Yes". She's essentially both light and dark.

I'd like to say that this is the Endtimes nonsense at its finest, but seeing pantheonic mandala ... there is no reason why even a High Elf shouldn't worship, for example, Khaine or Eldrazor.