smitter and mainstay

[icardias]

could someone make a list of which weapon is good for each ability?

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Smiter - All classes that use melee.

Mainstay - Only when Smiter or Assassin is not available, and Enhanced Power is a waste.

[will i am]

smiter is for 90% of weapons

mainstay is for shield weapons or weapons that do a ton of stagger

[bacon]

never used mainstay, would rather use enhanced power to hit monk stagger breakpoint, cata handgun breakpoint, etc.

[Lucien Lachance]

Originally posted by Bc. Ithiridiel:

Smiter - All classes that use melee.

Mainstay - Only when Smiter or Assassin is not available, and Enhanced Power is a waste.

Enhanced power is not a waste if you're using ranged 90% of the time (WS Swiftbow build for example, where I can have 40 melee kills and 400+ ranged kills). Any super dedicated ranged build like that you just gotta remember you don't have the same melee ability.

[Ardariel]

Single-target weapons = smiter.

Everything else - mainstay.

Damage difference is too damn high to ignore it.

[Lucien Lachance]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Single-target weapons = smiter.

Everything else - mainstay.

Damage difference is too damn high to ignore it.

What if I have two melee weapons one for high single target damage and one for high crowd control damage haha. I typically stick with Smiter in that instance just for boss damage.

[Ing. Ithiridiel]

Originally posted by Lucien Lachance:

Originally posted by Bc. Ithiridiel:

Smiter - All classes that use melee.

Mainstay - Only when Smiter or Assassin is not available, and Enhanced Power is a waste.

Enhanced power is not a waste if you're using ranged 90% of the time (WS Swiftbow build for example, where I can have 40 melee kills and 400+ ranged kills). Any super dedicated ranged build like that you just gotta remember you don't have the same melee ability.

"Only when (something) and Enhanced Power is a waste" what I meant by that is if you don't use ranged that much, or would benefit more from mainstay (high stagger/cleave weapons).

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Lucien Lachance:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Single-target weapons = smiter.

Everything else - mainstay.

Damage difference is too damn high to ignore it.

What if I have two melee weapons one for high single target damage and one for high crowd control damage haha. I typically stick with Smiter in that instance just for boss damage.

then you lose on crowd damage and elites damage. Up to you. With GK i would love to use mainstay, would have boost my boss damage dramatically. But there you dont have it so...

And for WP and slayer - it mostly depends on build and team. For slayer it is generally better to go with mainstay as logn as you use 2handed weapns - his boss damage is already high enough and boosting damage vs elites (especially vs mass armor and with your 2h hammer) and clear speed is more crucial. While with WP you generally better go with smiter, since his corwd control is good alredy (thanks to smite, his skill), while he is definetly lacking in boss damage.

Still overall idea stands.

[Lucien Lachance]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Originally posted by Lucien Lachance:

What if I have two melee weapons one for high single target damage and one for high crowd control damage haha. I typically stick with Smiter in that instance just for boss damage.

then you lose on crowd damage and elites damage. Up to you. With GK i would love to use mainstay, would have boost my boss damage dramatically. But there you dont have it so...

And for WP and slayer - it mostly depends on build and team. For slayer it is generally better to go with mainstay as logn as you use 2handed weapns - his boss damage is already high enough and boosting damage vs elites (especially vs mass armor and with your 2h hammer) and clear speed is more crucial. While with WP you generally better go with smiter, since his corwd control is good alredy (thanks to smite, his skill), while he is definetly lacking in boss damage.

Still overall idea stands.

I don't play slow Slayer I play balls to wall no bcr max crit chance/speed daxe, dhammer. Let's just say I don't ever find myself lacking on crowd damage with dhammers and max speed. The only crit chance I don't have in that build is from talent because I take 10% speed.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Lucien Lachance:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

then you lose on crowd damage and elites damage. Up to you. With GK i would love to use mainstay, would have boost my boss damage dramatically. But there you dont have it so...

And for WP and slayer - it mostly depends on build and team. For slayer it is generally better to go with mainstay as logn as you use 2handed weapns - his boss damage is already high enough and boosting damage vs elites (especially vs mass armor and with your 2h hammer) and clear speed is more crucial. While with WP you generally better go with smiter, since his corwd control is good alredy (thanks to smite, his skill), while he is definetly lacking in boss damage.

Still overall idea stands.

I don't play slow Slayer I play balls to wall no bcr max crit chance/speed daxe, dhammer. Let's just say I don't ever find myself lacking on crowd damage with dhammers and max speed. The only crit chance I don't have in that build is from talent because I take 10% speed.

And i prefer damage output slayer and killing stuff quick with a lot of space for a team, rather than runing slayer. Its okay, but i still prefer to be self-sufficient and provide max damage output for this career. I mean- why woudl you take slayer otherwise. Dual hammer and dual axes feels lacking in coparison. Well, not axes, they still can do hefty single-target damage, but dual hammers definetly sucks. They good for mobility though, that is why i use them on OE, but for everything else.. meh. DOuble meh.