Chaos Waste "Rampart"

[omar_uav]

Rampart is a perk which a boss wont receive any ranged damage at all, even if a ultimate skill.

Boss with a Rampart perk is absolute mess to certain classes which makes them totally useless, as "Bounty Hunter" your whole character is build anti single targets and bosses, same goes for master engineer class, Huntsman and so on.

Ultimate attacks should either penetrate this ability, or rampart should do 50% less ranged damage taken.

[Frostbeast]

I think its too weak. It should do reflect damage back to the attacker. That would be fun.

[BigJ]

Engi has the piston+cog hammer for this

[Sticky Mick]

You have melee weapons.

[omar_uav]

Originally posted by Sticky Mick:

You have melee weapons.

good luck attacking chaos spawn with your rapier.

Originally posted by BHB | BigJ:

Engi has the piston+cog hammer for this

kinda good though, but engi suffer from little buffs to his melee weapons, isnt that good damage at all, you get low stamina also.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by omar_uav:

Originally posted by Sticky Mick:

You have melee weapons.

good luck attacking chaos spawn with your rapier.

Originally posted by BHB | BigJ:

Engi has the piston+cog hammer for this

kinda good though, but engi suffer from little buffs to his melee weapons, isnt that good damage at all, you get low stamina also.

3 shields of stam is decent, specially with the piston stagger. The cog hammer damage is also massive.

[Frostbeast]

Originally posted by omar_uav:

Originally posted by Sticky Mick:

You have melee weapons.

good luck attacking chaos spawn with your rapier.

Actually, its pretty easy. After the 3 hit combo it will try to grab you. Just dodge backwards and charge your attack. After it missed you get close and hit it. It will try to grab you again. Just repeat it until it switches back to the 3 hit combo.

[Varivox]

As many times as I've faced Rampart with Engineer, I gotta say I actually like rampart. It's probably ended more runs than not, but I think it's a good design.

You are right, right now, it wrecks certain classes/builds. But look at the classes it shuts down: the classes that make monsters trivial with little risk to themselves.

I was playing Engi earlier tonight, had the large hopper and guaranteed crits. I melted monsters. They didn't matter, they offered absolutely zero challege. Then, we got rampart and we had to actually fight the monster. I had to get out my melee and go bash it down. My DPS was absolute trash for that fight (hammer/shield doesn't do much damage), but it lasted more than 20 seconds. All of a sudden, the boss fight was an actual boss fight.

Personally, I think more modifications to monsters that shut down the top tier classes would be great. Grenade spam, available to every career, is also another problem. Just pop a potion, sit back, and throw endless nades...

As many runs as I have lost to Rampart, I want more things like rampart, not less.

[Tariff Mike Hawk]

reject ranged, return to melee

[omar_uav]

Originally posted by Varivox:

As many times as I've faced Rampart with Engineer, I gotta say I actually like rampart. It's probably ended more runs than not, but I think it's a good design.

You are right, right now, it wrecks certain classes/builds. But look at the classes it shuts down: the classes that make monsters trivial with little risk to themselves.

I was playing Engi earlier tonight, had the large hopper and guaranteed crits. I melted monsters. They didn't matter, they offered absolutely zero challege. Then, we got rampart and we had to actually fight the monster. I had to get out my melee and go bash it down. My DPS was absolute trash for that fight (hammer/shield doesn't do much damage), but it lasted more than 20 seconds. All of a sudden, the boss fight was an actual boss fight.

Personally, I think more modifications to monsters that shut down the top tier classes would be great. Grenade spam, available to every career, is also another problem. Just pop a potion, sit back, and throw endless nades...

As many runs as I have lost to Rampart, I want more things like rampart, not less.

well true some specific builds melt bosses, but it goes the same for "Shade" and "Grail knight" , not just ranged classes can melt bosses even melee ones do.

playing as BH with rapier is no fun at all vs any boss.
even for huntsman same issue, but atleast you get longer weapons than BH.

Originally posted by OK BOOMER:

reject ranged, return to melee

reject barbarianism , rejoice with civilization

[HunApo]

Oh nooo, you have to use your melee in a melee oriented game.
What did you expect, a warm snowball?
If you cant handle the grudge marks, there are multiple options:

• Dont do the trial
  
• Pick a melee boss killer
  
• Learn how to block
  
• Learn how to dance with a boss
  
• Dont play CW

Or you can cry on the forum.
Chaos spawn is 2nd easiest monster after rat ogre, since you can dance with it almost anywhere.
Troll/Fiend will zone you out in narrow corridors with their AoE.

[Wandering Flare]

Every career has a melee weapon and many of them aren't only good with ranged. Work as a team and remember for once that ranged meta isn't the only thing in the game.

[omar_uav]

Originally posted by HunApo:

Oh nooo, you have to use your melee in a melee oriented game.
What did you expect, a warm snowball?
If you cant handle the grudge marks, there are multiple options:

• Dont do the trial
  
• Pick a melee boss killer
  
• Learn how to block
  
• Learn how to dance with a boss
  
• Dont play CW

Or you can cry on the forum.
Chaos spawn is 2nd easiest monster after rat ogre, since you can dance with it almost anywhere.
Troll/Fiend will zone you out in narrow corridors with their AoE.

i really dont understand this harsh tone, as if i had insulted you.


your list is mainly baseless,
if all melee boss killers are taken what i should do kick them out?
dont do the trail? is everything ok?
dont play CW? not to play whole CW because there is a little flaw?


well stormfiend and trolls are the easiest for me, very basic and straight forward.
chaos spawn because of their hard to aim critical spot and fast mobility.
but as always each have their own way of dealing with stuff.

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Every career has a melee weapon and many of them aren't only good with ranged. Work as a team and remember for once that ranged meta isn't the only thing in the game.

+1, i have stated in a reply , that there is meta melee, not all are ranged, but escaping the issue and not playing with a ranged class is not the solution, we just have evaded the issue.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by omar_uav:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Every career has a melee weapon and many of them aren't only good with ranged. Work as a team and remember for once that ranged meta isn't the only thing in the game.

+1, i have stated in a reply , that there is meta melee, not all are ranged, but escaping the issue and not playing with a ranged class is not the solution, we just have evaded the issue.

We haven't "evaded" it, there is no issue. Just because an odd monster is immune to ranged damage does not make ranged careers any less useful for the rest of the Wastes and their abilities can still be used while fighting a Rampart monster - you can chainshot it to keep it staggered as BH, get a few free hits in or a safe revive as Huntsman, clear out a horde event quickly with Waystalker, etc etc.

[HunApo]

Originally posted by omar_uav:

Originally posted by HunApo:

Oh nooo, you have to use your melee in a melee oriented game.
What did you expect, a warm snowball?
If you cant handle the grudge marks, there are multiple options:

• Dont do the trial
  
• Pick a melee boss killer
  
• Learn how to block
  
• Learn how to dance with a boss
  
• Dont play CW

Or you can cry on the forum.
Chaos spawn is 2nd easiest monster after rat ogre, since you can dance with it almost anywhere.
Troll/Fiend will zone you out in narrow corridors with their AoE.

i really dont understand this harsh tone, as if i had insulted you.


your list is mainly baseless,
if all melee boss killers are taken what i should do kick them out?
dont do the trail? is everything ok?
dont play CW? not to play whole CW because there is a little flaw?


well stormfiend and trolls are the easiest for me, very basic and straight forward.
chaos spawn because of their hard to aim critical spot and fast mobility.
but as always each have their own way of dealing with stuff.

What is the flaw here as i fail to see it.

If all melee boss killers are taken than what is the problem with rampart as they obviously dont give a damm about it.

So again what is the problem here? You need teamwork in a co-op game?

[BigJ]

As an engi main, I run coghammer with piston just for rampart, means I can take agro from the boss as our better melee heroes melt it, changes playstyle and means getting a morgrim with duplication isn't an instawin