Waystalker Tips/Tricks :)?

[TwinkPrime]

Hey guys! Ive gotten pretty bored with Shade and figured its time to do some of the challenges on Waystalker. Currently I got full reds on mine with dual swords. Any tips or tricks from you waystalker mains? Or people who play her quite often ^^? Shes definitely very different from shade... hah. Not sure if dual swords are the best weapon for her? I also use longbow as well

[om3g4_z3r0]

always remember to not shoot your friends.

[HunApo]

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Medicles님이 먼저 게시:

I hope this is either a joke or specificly for cata. Serrated Shot + Enhanced Power is the only way to one shot specials with a bodyshot on legend without having to rely on specific situations in the game.

i go with a double arrow! while its not always there it does kill any special even on cata. headshooting two elites with the same shot is priceless )

@Medicles
There is your answer.
Picking totally garbage talents to one shot specials, is anything but optimal. (some would say, overkill)
Enhanched power is probably the worse talent in the game (after ricochet) cause there is like 5% situation where it is needed for breakpoint.
For caster mage, would go for it more likely. For elf? Yea, as useful as ricochet
Not to mention the fact that WS has the 2 strongest stagger talents (mainstay and assasin), so yea, pick 7.5% power instead of 60% dmg.

As for oneshotting specials, here is a hint.
You can oneshot EVERY special in the head with longbow.
Or use bloodshot double shot, which is also a guaranteed kill on any special, even in cata.

Serrated and enchanced power, you could add there swiftbow for the ultimate meme queen build.
Is it going to work on legend?
Yupp, everything works.
Are you going to be useful for the team?
Yea, if you picked partyheal and carry books for them.
Otherwise would bring a flamer IB bot with template weapons over your build and most likely would outdamage that meme queen build still.

[Medicles]

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

@Medicles
There is your answer.
Picking totally garbage talents to one shot specials, is anything but optimal. (some would say, overkill)
Enhanched power is probably the worse talent in the game (after ricochet) cause there is like 5% situation where it is needed for breakpoint.
For caster mage, would go for it more likely. For elf? Yea, as useful as ricochet
Not to mention the fact that WS has the 2 strongest stagger talents (mainstay and assasin), so yea, pick 7.5% power instead of 60% dmg.

Why would i need 60% dmg after stagger when i can kill specials with one shot already? Why would i need 60% dmg after stagger when most things already die after two hits without a stagger talent? All of this is overkill on legend for no apparent reason.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

As for oneshotting specials, here is a hint.
You can oneshot EVERY special in the head with longbow.
Or use bloodshot double shot, which is also a guaranteed kill on any special, even in cata.

Come one, in all the time i have played the whole Vermintide series i have never encountered someone who was able to perfectly headshot every special in every situation. If we go with that reasoning, any talent is absolutely pointless. I understand the reasoning for bloodshot on cata, since you cant reach a breakpoint for a reliable one-shot with a bodyshot, but thats it.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

Serrated and enchanced power, you could add there swiftbow for the ultimate meme queen build.
Is it going to work on legend?
Yupp, everything works.
Are you going to be useful for the team?
Yea, if you picked partyheal and carry books for them.
Otherwise would bring a flamer IB bot with template weapons over your build and most likely would outdamage that meme queen build still.

That is an inexperienced guess mate, you should know better. Its already odd that you need partyheal. Shouldnt you be good enough to survive without hp regen?

[TwinkPrime]

Thank you so much for all the tips guys! Im really reading through everything and learning lots of new stuff.

[HunApo]

Medicles님이 먼저 게시:

Why would i need 60% dmg after stagger when i can kill specials with one shot already? Why would i need 60% dmg after stagger when most things already die after two hits without a stagger talent? All of this is overkill on legend for no apparent reason.

How many specials are you killing vs non-specials?
Why would you need to one bodyshot a special?
If it is alone without wave, clear shot to head
If it is mid wave, you kill a thrash, dash back, swap and double shot even without headshot, not to mention you should be able to still headshot likely 50% of time

Medicles님이 먼저 게시:

Come one, in all the time i have played the whole Vermintide series i have never encountered someone who was able to perfectly headshot every special in every situation. If we go with that reasoning, any talent is absolutely pointless. I understand the reasoning for bloodshot on cata, since you cant reach a breakpoint for a reliable one-shot with a bodyshot, but thats it.

I have pretty decent headshot aim, obviously not 100%, but can easily headshot still majority of the time even mid horde
Also, doubleshot lets you clear wave when they rushing towards you, serated does nothing.
Furthermore, even in cata, you can headshot instakill stormvermins or double bodyshot.

Medicles님이 먼저 게시:

That is an inexperienced guess mate, you should know better. Its already odd that you need partyheal. Shouldnt you be good enough to survive without hp regen?

Not guess, rather fact.
Like i said, up to legend, everything works, to some extent even in cata, as long as the player has the mechanic skill for it. That doesnt mean a meme build is the best way to learn a character/class.

But building towards something, that you can ALREADY can do, is just pure waste especially when you sacrafice close to half of your damage.
And in the long run, what determines a run success is how fast can you kill the mess thrown at you.

[Jhea]

i just go Sword and Dagger with the Waystalker, and the Longbow and attempt to just go full crit.
i never run out of ammo with her and i have the time to focus and aim and just headshot every blackrat and such things as it comes my way.

also longbow is more effective against waves.
a single arrow can easily go through 3 or 4 enemies bevore not doing any damage any more on fast attack, even some more on charged/aimed attack
The Swiftbow usually goes through one enemy when on fast attack.

[Medicles]

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

How many specials are you killing vs non-specials?
Why would you need to one bodyshot a special?
If it is alone without wave, clear shot to head
If it is mid wave, you kill a thrash, dash back, swap and double shot even without headshot, not to mention you should be able to still headshot likely 50% of time

Around 10%.
Because specials dont spawn alone and i cant trust my team to even take care of one.
Even if specials spawn without waves, the pathing and the range often times doesnt allow for a clear headshot and i certainly dont want to wait until they stand still. They are going to be attacked as soon as i see them and one charged shot to the body allows me to react to several special spawns in a short amount of time without the need to be precise.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

I have pretty decent headshot aim, obviously not 100%, but can easily headshot still majority of the time even mid horde
Also, doubleshot lets you clear wave when they rushing towards you, serated does nothing.
Furthermore, even in cata, you can headshot instakill stormvermins or double bodyshot.

Its quite nice that you can do that, but not everybody can do that. So i rather give random people a safe suggestion that is efficient enough for the average player. I never had problems dealing with hordes with a longbow, the piercing of one arrow is quite enough for me.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

Not guess, rather fact.
Like i said, up to legend, everything works, to some extent even in cata, as long as the player has the mechanic skill for it. That doesnt mean a meme build is the best way to learn a character/class.

But building towards something, that you can ALREADY can do, is just pure waste especially when you sacrafice close to half of your damage.
And in the long run, what determines a run success is how fast can you kill the mess thrown at you.

Yeah, but here is the thing. You arent actually killing any faster than me. Thats why i use the term overkill. You killing the special with a headshot is the same as me killing them with a bodyshot. You killing them with two arrows is also the same as me killing them with a bodyshot. The only difference is that you either have to be precise to hit the head on every range or you have to kill trash first, whereas i just need a charged shot to hit the hitbox.

Lets see about the other threats. Against Monster and Bosses you need trash running around to have an advantage over me. Elites are not really a threat, because they are usually right in your face for an easy headshot. CW dont die with bloodshot, so we are even and likely use ulti for a one-shot anyway. Thats about it.

[MT]

Medicles is right. Waystalker's job is killing specials and elites from afar.
Why do you want mainstay or assassin? For that mighty fanatic hp breakpoint?

Enhanced power and serrated shots let me one-bodyshot flamers, gunners and globs on cata.

[CopperBack]

Play how you want, boom headshot!

If your aim is for the head then the neck is the breakpoint!

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HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

Presuming you are not playing premade, nor twitch/deed/cata and want to be an all-arounder:

• Scrap dual sword, it's garbage weapon. A single CW takes about 2 iceage to kill, and same goes to any superarmor and to some extent armor/shield as well.
  Go with S&D, or even dual dagger (but DD is really risky without premade or if you know what you do)
  
• Longbow is fine, hagbane also option, swiftbow for the meme
  
• talent wise, there are a few good ones and few avoid-at-all:
  - You will never, ever, EVER pick serrated shot and ricochet. This is not hanzo game and the bleeding is joke. You want DoT? Go hagbane, which ticks 4-5 DoT, serrated does 2
  - You will always pick party heal, even if you have a wannabe zealot, he will die first corner anyway, so screw him.
  
• Ult upgrades, extra 4th arrow is mehh, piercing shot is insanely situational and you lose the auto aim function for the ult (meaning no more saving teammate when grabbed/stabbed at a dropoff point or grabbed away into the middle of horde) so you are "stuck" with ammo refund, which is not a bad deal
  
• stack crit chance all the way everywhere, i prefer to pair it with BCR

Solid advice right here. I personally enjoy using swift bow with bleeding just for the hell of it. But if you want optimal,Longbow and hagbane are your best options. Honestly though, you should probably play RV like a true chad.

[guts' theme (Cut & Looped)]

Spam ult, snipe specials.

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MT님이 먼저 게시:

Medicles is right. Waystalker's job is killing specials and elites from afar.
Why do you want mainstay or assassin? For that mighty fanatic hp breakpoint?

Enhanced power and serrated shots let me one-bodyshot flamers, gunners and globs on cata.

I'm just gonna say it, but body shot builds are low skill. Just practice at becoming decent at headshotting, and if you happen to miss, most things die in 2 body shots anyways (lege and cata) . Being a decent shot is gonna give you a lot more mileage overall with all the characters. Overly specific builds (especially starting out) are going to teach you bad habits. Waystalker can still do their job while still having a more rounded build.

[Medicles]

Step Sis Proof Appliances님이 먼저 게시:

I'm just gonna say it, but body shot builds are low skill. Just practice at becoming decent at headshotting, and if you happen to miss, most things die in 2 body shots anyways (lege and cata) . Being a decent shot is gonna give you a lot more mileage overall with all the characters. Overly specific builds (especially starting out) are going to teach you bad habits. Waystalker can still do their job while still having a more rounded build.

Yeah, but now we are back to the fact that if you just headshot everything, you dont need a build in the first place. Which means, you can play any build you want, it doesnt matter when you just focus on headshots anyway. In fact, this actually plays into my example, because its a safer option and people can just go back to bodyshots when they are tired of trying to headshot everything.

[HunApo]

Medicles님이 먼저 게시:

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

How many specials are you killing vs non-specials?
Why would you need to one bodyshot a special?
If it is alone without wave, clear shot to head
If it is mid wave, you kill a thrash, dash back, swap and double shot even without headshot, not to mention you should be able to still headshot likely 50% of time

Around 10%.
Because specials dont spawn alone and i cant trust my team to even take care of one.
Even if specials spawn without waves, the pathing and the range often times doesnt allow for a clear headshot and i certainly dont want to wait until they stand still. They are going to be attacked as soon as i see them and one charged shot to the body allows me to react to several special spawns in a short amount of time without the need to be precise.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

I have pretty decent headshot aim, obviously not 100%, but can easily headshot still majority of the time even mid horde
Also, doubleshot lets you clear wave when they rushing towards you, serated does nothing.
Furthermore, even in cata, you can headshot instakill stormvermins or double bodyshot.

Its quite nice that you can do that, but not everybody can do that. So i rather give random people a safe suggestion that is efficient enough for the average player. I never had problems dealing with hordes with a longbow, the piercing of one arrow is quite enough for me.

HunApo님이 먼저 게시:

Not guess, rather fact.
Like i said, up to legend, everything works, to some extent even in cata, as long as the player has the mechanic skill for it. That doesnt mean a meme build is the best way to learn a character/class.

But building towards something, that you can ALREADY can do, is just pure waste especially when you sacrafice close to half of your damage.
And in the long run, what determines a run success is how fast can you kill the mess thrown at you.

Yeah, but here is the thing. You arent actually killing any faster than me. Thats why i use the term overkill. You killing the special with a headshot is the same as me killing them with a bodyshot. You killing them with two arrows is also the same as me killing them with a bodyshot. The only difference is that you either have to be precise to hit the head on every range or you have to kill trash first, whereas i just need a charged shot to hit the hitbox.

Lets see about the other threats. Against Monster and Bosses you need trash running around to have an advantage over me. Elites are not really a threat, because they are usually right in your face for an easy headshot. CW dont die with bloodshot, so we are even and likely use ulti for a one-shot anyway. Thats about it.

Your math is just as off, as your build :)
And if you shot monster for serated bleed, i can only congrat to you.
I said it already, but saying again:
On legend everything works, every BS build.
Doesn't mean you are at your full potential of the character tho.

As for OP
Go whatever you feel like, there are good ways and bad ways.
Either way work is legend.
If you want to go higher, you will see where you struggle

[Crowhead]

If you're playing on legend she has a breakpoint for storm vermins, bow 10% skaven/armored, second trinket 10% skaven + serrated shots, and she can oneshot them from any distance