Ironbreaker in legendary

[Thorveim]

Lil story time as an intro... I am an ironbreaker player, barely touching anything else as i like looking like a suit of armor with a beard. After a good while of farming in champions, where my axe+shield and drakegun combo made me basically immortal and getting very close to 300 gear power, i decided to try legend for the first time, thinking that my insane crowd control would work just as well...

Yeah, I got turned into soup, as my beloved shield now failed to control even slave rats reliably with either the shove or the shield bash. It even showed more as the "temporary health on knockback" barely worked at all. Question is... As it is at 290 power, maybe it would become adequate again once it hits 300, but I would like some feedback on it... And if it doesnt get that control power back, what weapon options would allow me to deal with hordes in a similar manner when the drakegun isnt an option anymore (mainly open spaces with enemies coming from multiple directions at once, which is where the shield usually shines the most in champion, while still being a capable weapon against armored foe, namely those chaos warriors that are too tall for headshots to ne reliable).

[Lu2]

use axe . axe and shield not realy good. pickaxe is better agaist hordes and viable against armored enemies but kinda slow

axe is best dwarf weapon in my opinion since v1

[Harold]

Shielded weapons are kinda useless in this game. The only thing you can do with them is block ratling fire.

If you find it difficult to deal with a horde in open space you got to find a corner or some place where you can easily defend from only one/two side(s). As for the weapons best melee control weapon for horde is two handed hammer and it's also good for dealing with armored enemies. If you want more mobility and don't mind less CC then one handed hammer works as well. As secondary you can pretty much bring whatever you want as long as you haave reliable sniper on your team. I usually take rifle or shotgun.

[CureAga Wine]

10 missing power won't help you much.
From my experience, a+s is an adequate weapon on legend as is. You just have to figure out attack patterns to alternate between knoknowns and wide sweeps.
Of course, there will people who'd say to ditch it and go for whatever meta weapon IB has now, but where's fun in that?

[Missa La Hache]

The chessy setup for Legendary IB is Drake pistol et 1H axe, it melt hordes, specials and armored enemies.

[Sticky Mick]

Axe+Shield and drakefire gun is viable on Legend, if you have a competent team that can deal with specials. No offence intended, but this is a noob build. There are better options.

Crowd control shouldn't be a big issue if you position yourself correctly. Don't allow yourself to be exposed on all sides when you hear a horde coming - put your back to a wall but don't get into a corner that you can't escape from (gas rats will punish you). If there is a ledge handy, use it to force mobs to climb or jump and hit them while they are doing so.

A great crowd control weapon is dual hammers (from Bogenhafen DLC). Equipped with swift slaying + 5% crit and +5% attack speed you will become basically invulnerable to hordes. It also has better mobility than A+S. I prefer 2-H hammer with swift slaying +crit + attack speed on ironbreaker. It's great for crowd control if you use the heavy attack. You need to be able to judge the distance to the enemies correctly. If you get staggered the push-stab attack is good to get you out of a tight spot. The 2H hammer is better than dual hammers for handling elites, which is why i prefer it.

For ranged weapons, I prefer hangdun so that I can snipe specials, which are more of a threat than hordes. If you want crowd control, the charged attack on the drakefire pistols is good,or you can use a grudgeraker. For the grudgeraker, get the scrounger trait and +5% crit + 10% vs infantry. You can use the "block" attack on the grudgeraker to bash enemies and if it crits it will regenerate ammo.

[Lederpeitsche]

Originally posted by Mike137:

A great crowd control weapon is dual hammers (from Bogenhafen DLC).

Dual Hammers are part of the Back to Übersreik DLC, not Bögenhafen!
Bögenhafen introduced no new weapons.

[Sticky Mick]

Originally posted by Lederpeitsche:

Originally posted by Mike137:

A great crowd control weapon is dual hammers (from Bogenhafen DLC).

Dual Hammers are part of the Back to Übersreik DLC, not Bögenhafen!
Bögenhafen introduced no new weapons.

You are correct. My apologies.

[Wing]

Very good answers all. Respect.

[Gluttóny]

as a dwarf 1 trick here (level 330) this is what i suggest. theres no problem using your current build, but u need to learn legend and then u can learn your build on legend. never try to use a really non meta build when u just come in to legend because u will die quick. for getting up into legend i would use drake fire pistols and 1 h axe. this build is the best current build and very versatile. when u start getting confident in legend i would try experimenting with different weapons. when u have found your fav weapon to use then u want to master it. if u see people using a non meta weapon and are really good at it. experiment with their build then if u like it use it.
people have already commented on hordes and that is good advice so i wont add on to it.

[Dave]

I use axe and shield and the flamethrower. I usually get the most kills by a high number. The shield is nice to stay alive especially with patrols and bosses yet the axe still kills armored enemies.

[Naugdil]

My prefered weapon since first starting legend with IB is 2h axe. I find 1h axe moveset awkward. I've learned to control hordes with heavy sweeps and pushattacks, while in the beginning using red handgun to snipe specials, but Drakepistols shotgun blast makes hordes a walk in the park without sacrificing medium range and boss dmg like Drakegun. I also use 2h axe on RV, only switching to pickaxe on Slayer to mix things up and because his skillset (and dual axes) makes up for it shortcomings, so it becomes a beast.

[ZeN (uk)™]

Originally posted by Naugdil:

My prefered weapon since first starting legend with IB is 2h axe. I find 1h axe moveset awkward. I've learned to control hordes with heavy sweeps and pushattacks, while in the beginning using red handgun to snipe specials, but Drakepistols shotgun blast makes hordes a walk in the park without sacrificing medium range and boss dmg like Drakegun. I also use 2h axe on RV, only switching to pickaxe on Slayer to mix things up and because his skillset (and dual axes) makes up for it shortcomings, so it becomes a beast.

I tend to favour this set up, especially using drakepistols shotgun blast for incoming hordes. Only drawback to 2 hand axe having to stack +10 atkspd other than that it's very offensive vs armored foes.

[old Charlie]

@OP: We've been playing together yesterday. You said, that you were kinda new and at this point you should probably try to experiment a bit. Personally I think shields are a boring waste of time but you can honestly play whatever you want. However if you use the drakegun you already have the best crowd-control in the game. Once you pull out that shield, you are most likely wasting your time, because you might as well dodge back and keep shooting. It also helps to have more dodge on your melee-weapon if you want to get into position for the drakegun.

[Emilia Tempest]

It is hard to play with "bad" wepones but you can still win.
Drakegun? U mean the pistols or the flamethrower? pistols are fun but trash, flamethrower is better.

Axe+shield is good, I prefer the hammer+shield cuz better against hordes. The pickaxe is also strong, charge attacke can be longer charged to deal heavy damage[can oneshot any special, CW might need 2 hits].

But, just use something you feel good with and then if you got better you can try wepones that are "bad"[like shields].

Use whatever you like and how you like.

[Thorveim]

Yeh, i know i gotta get used to legendary. Its just that shield and axe is the weapon i am the most used to, and that i've been baffled by seemingly going from total control to almost none, as attested by me earning almost no health from shoving things around, even against skaven slaves of all things. As for positioning, i agree, but sometimes you do not have a choice (the screaming bell comes to mind).

As for specials being the thing I should be worried about... I find they are at their most dangerous when a horde is tying up your hands already, and im more interested in removing that part of the issue, tag the special, and let a teammate kill said special now that the horde is under control ;)

Good advice in here overall, and ill definitely try to diversify a bit my melee options (will need to train up in vet though, as i hve little to no experience in actually using them out of the training dummy and a few videos i watched)

ps: by drakegun i mean the flamethrower. Awesome to torch hordes and turns skaven patrols into utter jokes, but becomes a liability if something sneaks in your back or side and interrupts you with melee attacks. Its at this point or when i see it will inevitably happen that i go melee.