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So Tanks or Support specs as you think best.
Kruber - Mercenary or FootKnight
Bardin - IronBreaker or VeteranRanger
Kerrillian - ??? Maybe WayStalker with group Heal
Saltspyre - Zealot or WitchHunterCaptain
Sienna - Unchained
You can select preference now too so probably move Kerrillian into 5th slot.
Why would you use zealot instead of witch hunter for the +25% damage for tagging an enemy?
Also, OP, Kruber bot should be mercenary with the level 25 talent that gives his career skill a revive.
1. Bots are not like human players. Bots rarely use ranged weapons, so most crowd control weapons (Hagbane bow, drakefire gun, swift bow...) are useless when equipped on a bot. Generally, it is best to select high damage ranged weapons that have low ammo stocks (handgun, pistols, repeaters, bolt staff, longbow are all good). Because bots don't shoot much avoid Huntsman and Bounty Hunter (they are also squishy). Ranger Veteran equipped with a rifle and a good crowd control melee weapon, and with the ability to get temp health on ult, is great because you can use him to get bombs from specials. The bombs can make patrols and bosses much easier to handle.
2. Bots do dumb things that humans won't (like stand in a gas cloud) and take damage needlessly. To over come this, only use bots that generate temporary health for themselves or the party on ult or through passives. The CORNERSTONE to a good bot party is the Mercenary because his ult can give everybody in the vicinity 25 temporary health when triggered. I also like to include Waystalker because of her ability to handle specials with her ult, but also because if you select the lvl 15 #3 talent (Rejuvenating Locus??) then her passive regen ability extends to the entire party and everyone gets green health back. For the other characters you select, pick talents that allow temp health regen: Ranger Veteran (Catch a breath Lvl 25 #3), WHC (Lvl 15 #2 Justice's bounty), Zealot (Lvl 25 #2 Pleasure from pain), Pyromancer (lvl 25 #2 Bonded flame). Tanks such as Slayer or ironbreaker equipped with a necklace that has a Natural Bond trait are also fine.
3. Party composition: You want to be able to handle hordes, elites and specials. Equip squishy characters (Pyromancer, Ranger Veteran, WHC, Waystalker) with crowd control melee weapons. Equip tanks (Iron breaker, Slayer, Zealot) with high damage weapons for handling elites. Have either Waystalker or Pyromancer for handling specials with their ultimates.
4. Specifics:
Classes NOT to take as bots: Huntsman, Handmaiden, Shade, Bounty Hunter.
Classes that are good:
Mercenary - 30% cool down reduction on ult, most melee weapons are good, handgun or repeater. Regenerates temp health for all. Crowd control.
Ranger Veteran - extra temp health on ult, dual hammers, handgun, Battle brew (drops bombs). Bombs for elites, patrols, monsters.
Ironbreaker - 2H hammer or dual hammers, handgun or grudge raker, Natural bond. **Bots IBs trigger the Impenetrable ult inappropriately. It can be annoying. Elites and crowd control.
Slayer - dual hammers OR dual axes OR 2H hammer. **Slayer bots only use the weapon equipped in the first weapon slot. Natural bond. Elites and crowd control.
WHC - Falchion+axe (or falchion), pistols or crossbow, Justice's bounty (Lvl 15 #2 talent). Temp health for all. Tagged enemiestake +20% damage.
Zealot - Falchion+ axe (or falchion, or axe with swift slaying), pistols or crossbow, Lvl 25#2 Pleasure from pain. Elites and crowd control.
Waystalker - dual swords or glaive, longbow, lvl 15 #3 talent (Rejuvenating Locus??), 30% cooldown reduction on ult. Crowd control and specials. Regenerate green health for party. This build does not regenerate ammo.
Pyromancer - sword, bolt staff, (lvl 25 #2 Bonded flame). Crowd control and specials.
Unchained - crow's bill (or mace), bolt staff, barkskin (to prevent chip damage triggering overheat). Elite and crowd control.
Conflagration staffs don't work on bots.
Really,I think the best party is composed of Merc+Waystalker with either Zealot (or Slayer) if you are not playing a tank yourself. If you are then Ranger Veteran allows you to cause havoc with all the bombs he provides.
Lastly, bots don't handle ledges well. They are constantly falling off if you encounter a gas rat, flame rat, or gunner. Try not to fight in these places. Let hordes spawn before you go into them or draw enemies in them to a safe place using ranged weapons.
Happy hunting.
bots for me are just there to hold the line against hordes that’s basically the only thing they can do on par with players.
watching saltz and kruber chew through hordes with 2h swords also sparks joy for me
On talents: you should pick the talents that benefit you first, so healshare is great, especially on Merc, RV, and Pyro. Also any talent that gives stamina regen is particularly good on bots because they will be blocking and trading hits with hordes alot.
Fast CC weapons and OP BtU weapons are best for bot gear. The dumber the weapon the better since bots can't pull off combos or know how to use zoning weapons such as Drakegun/flamestorm staff, conflag, or Hagbane.
High tier bots: Merc, Ranger, Witch Hunter, and Pyro. 3 of these bots come with sick support skills and Pyro's ult is on a shorter cooldown than Waystalker. They will also generate enough temp health between them that you can get away with having healshare on Merc, Pyro, and RV (I always found Saltbot so aggressive that he still feels better off with temp hp on cleave).
Mid tier: Footknight, Ironbreaker, Zealot, Waystalker*, Handmaiden*, and BW. The Mid-tiers are survivable, but don't offer beneficial talents to you, IB will spam his ult almost as soon as the cooldown is done, Zealot will heal every chance he gets, BW is just meh.
*WS and HM should be amazing as bots, especially with Glaive, Spear, or Dual Swords, but my luck with them is abyssmal. Maybe I'm biased against elf, I don't know.
Low tier: Huntsman, Slayer, Shade, Bounty Hunter, Unchained. These classes are only for damage dealing and require skill and tactics to be useful (which bots can't do). Shade will ult on trash, Slayer can only use his first melee equip, and Unchained can't manage her heat without the block talent so she will explode to hordes.
idk the range but its a radius arround the player that makes elites agro from distance when horde is running towards you and passes elites. you can use that to clear some area in front of you while fighting the horde. f.e. if horde is visible and going to funnel somewhere you can step a bit forward so the horde pulls elites on map for you fairly safe.
bots will go full ♥♥♥♥♥♥ when gunrat is present. sometimes gas aswell. so in those situations you are on your own.
bots can handle all bosses very well. the problem is normal enemies swarming them from behind. so when you see a bot tanking a boss you might want to watch his back or revive him later.
that being said - taking fragile classes is kind of a waste due to being bots. the biggest crowd control they can offer is tank for you so you soften/ dispatch stuff. things like pyro should stay at home imho. kerillian should clean the keep aswell if you are not playing her yourself. waystalker can kill things pretty good but is fragile as fck and overall they just dont do alot of dmg period.
make them meatshields and do the work. you have to anyway. you can complete levels with fragile bots but if you want almost certain wins you make them meatshields. you will lose occassionally but due to poor bot mechanics that would occur with any setup ( gunrat spawning - bots "dodging" into the abyss or just plain stand there getting rect by other enemies )
I don't know what you're all on about...
I use unchained sienna with no THP, no curse resist, and the vent on block talent, and she always outsurvives every other bot. I've even had games where the other two bots are completely dead, and she hasn't even taken a scratch of damage.
She has literally never exploded. I didn't even think she could...
She's not very useful for sniping elites... but she can chunk through hoards like they're nothing, and she has (imo) the best bot ult in the game.
What am I missing?
I started with this guide then build around my playstyle/opinions.
Did a bunch of Legend Runs with full books from it.
Cheers on the guide.
nothing. you are correct. uc ult being the best is arguable tho but overall one of the best bots.
You can chalk my experiences to bad luck if you want, but UCbot for me explodes often to hordes, gas, flame rats, gunners, Stormfiends, and Bile Trolls. She ults on trash when she doesn't need to and sucks up damage into her overcharge if I don't babysit her. I rank pyro higher because she ults on specials and with the right talents and bot support she just stays topped off on temp health.
I only rated BW higher than UC because she didn't die as often. I don't like her because she ults wherever and whenever, but she fires off charged spells fast and can be given the 100% block meme build.
- Mercenary Kruber with 1hand mace and handgun
- Unchained Sienna with battle mace and conflag staff
- Ironbreaker Bardin with pickaxe and drakefire pistol
- Zealot Salty with flail and crossbow
- Never the Elf, she's the worst bot by miles regardless of setup
The key is if they hit anything ;)
not sure what the point is but it doesnt matter. UC is one of the best bots available due to bot behaviour. you could argue about ranger because of bombs and ammo but imho ib is such an awesome meat shield and you have 3 extra bombs anyway from bots so i personally would not take ranger.