Why do people pick up tomes and grimoires?

[Tazor]

The game is full of pseudo-elitists who want to drag around a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ library instead of potions and healing items while being 1 shot kill from almost anything in the game so they can have a CHANCE at better loot. WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥? I HAVEN'T WON A SINGLE ROUND ON VETERAN WITH THESE IDIOTS.

I did manage to win ONE round. By destroying one of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ books so we have a bit more hp. Barely won it. And telling them "DON'T PICK UP THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BOOKS! WE WILL DIE AND GET ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" is pointless. They will still pick em up.

Is there any option to play with randoms without those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ books?

[Brozong]

Grabbing books is how you get better gear so people will always want to get them, your best bet is to find a group that doesn't care or just play with bots.

[Tazor]

Originally posted by Brozong:

Grabbing books is how you get better gear so people will always want to get them, your best bet is to find a group that doesn't care or just play with bots.

Grabbing books is how you get A CHANCE AT better gear so people will always want to get them, your best bet is to find a group that doesn't care or just play with bots.

You are way more likely to fail and get nothing. That was my experience.

[Nick Vascuas]

Originally posted by Tazor:

Originally posted by Brozong:

Grabbing books is how you get better gear so people will always want to get them, your best bet is to find a group that doesn't care or just play with bots.

Grabbing books is how you get A CHANCE AT better gear so people will always want to get them, your best bet is to find a group that doesn't care or just play with bots.

You are way more likely to fail and get nothing. That was my experience.

This is how the game is for most pubs. You gotta learn to carry or play classes that are able to carry.

[Medicles]

Picking up books is not worth it until you reach champion and legendary. Red items do not drop below champion general chest, so you wont get better loot. You also dont get better gear level with higher chests. So in this regard, i can understand OP.

On the other hand, Books get way more important on champion and legend, because you can get red items. So it is quite useful to know where all the books are and how to play when you have all the books. Full book runs are a given in every legend pug game and you should know how to handle it when playing champion and legend.

[CopperBack]

If the handicap of less health or lack of a healing item is the cause for your defeat then you likely weren't going to make it with them either. Should play at lower difficulties until you can handle it and learn your basics.

Basically you don't deserve to win if you can't carry books & grims. It is a team game so the 'you' is the team.

[Tazor]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Picking up books is not worth it until you reach champion and legendary. Red items do not drop below champion general chest, so you wont get better loot. You also dont get better gear level with higher chests. So in this regard, i can understand OP.

On the other hand, Books get way more important on champion and legend, because you can get red items. So it is quite useful to know where all the books are and how to play when you have all the books. Full book runs are a given in every legend pug game and you should know how to handle it when playing champion and legend.

I am on veteran...I just want to play the game normally and get some decent gear. But it is impossible because it is filled with pseudo-elitists. I had more success with bots, but that is boring.

[Tazor]

Originally posted by CopperBack:

If the handicap of less health or lack of a healing item is the cause for your defeat then you likely weren't going to make it with them either. Should play at lower difficulties until you can handle it and learn your basics.

I can handle myself. I am dealing as much damage as the level 30s who cry PICK UP THE BOOKS.

[Queliriss]

I'd rather have a chance at better loot than waste my time and get ♥♥♥♥ loot, getting grey and greens is pretty much pointless

[Lazy™]

Originally posted by Medicles:

. Red items do not drop below champion general chest, so you wont get better loot.
.

unless my chests have bugged i have gotten reds from veteran chests

[Moroccan's Tone]

To be fair, books are pointless on anything but Champion and Legend, and even on Champion, it's questionable. Anything that isn't at least a General's Vault has such a low chance to give you a veteran item that it might as well not be there to begin with.
Once you hit a certain point in the game, even on Legend, books become meaningless. You take the occasional grim fo your Shade gets her 15% power boost or Pyro can auto-vent faster, but if you have like 100 emp-vaults sitting there unopened because there's no point in opening them... well, why bother with books?
Tell you the truth, it is actually VERY liberating if you don't go for books anymore, especially with grims. Not only can you finally use potions as "tanky" carreers, you can also ditch the curse resistance freely on any hero and experiment with builds. Since trinket is pretty much set for crits and curse resist, having at least one free ability slot gives you surprising new ways to discover certain carreers and builds.

[Googalabon]

I would recommend you host your games and let them know at the start that we will not be grabbing grims. Then do your best to get to them first and destroy them.

[Sin Archbishop of Vainglory]

Originally posted by Tazor:

The game is full of pseudo-elitists who want to drag around a ♥♥♥♥ing library instead of potions and healing items while being 1 shot kill from almost anything in the game so they can have a CHANCE at better loot. WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥? I HAVEN'T WON A SINGLE ROUND ON VETERAN WITH THESE IDIOTS.

I did manage to win ONE round. By destroying one of those ♥♥♥♥ing books so we have a bit more hp. Barely won it. And telling them "DON'T PICK UP THE ♥♥♥♥ING BOOKS! WE WILL DIE AND GET JACK♥♥♥♥♥♥ is pointless. They will still pick em up.

Is there any option to play with randoms without those ♥♥♥♥ing books?

on vet complaining about books :P

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Lord Whiffington of Whiffshire™:

Originally posted by Medicles:

. Red items do not drop below champion general chest, so you wont get better loot.
.

unless my chests have bugged i have gotten reds from veteran chests

Either bugged or you rememberd it wrong. Reds only drop in commendation chests, champion general and emperor chests and all legend chests.

Originally posted by Bardin's Original Nurgle Burgers:

To be fair, books are pointless on anything but Champion and Legend, and even on Champion, it's questionable. Anything that isn't at least a General's Vault has such a low chance to give you a veteran item that it might as well not be there to begin with.
Once you hit a certain point in the game, even on Legend, books become meaningless. You take the occasional grim fo your Shade gets her 15% power boost or Pyro can auto-vent faster, but if you have like 100 emp-vaults sitting there unopened because there's no point in opening them... well, why bother with books?
Tell you the truth, it is actually VERY liberating if you don't go for books anymore, especially with grims. Not only can you finally use potions as "tanky" carreers, you can also ditch the curse resistance freely on any hero and experiment with builds. Since trinket is pretty much set for crits and curse resist, having at least one free ability slot gives you surprising new ways to discover certain carreers and builds.

That may be true for people with +600 hours, but people who dont have 100 legend vaults sitting around and everyone red equipped certainly want to get to that point eventually and that works best with full book runs. Pre-teams certainly have more options but Pug games should never be told to ditch the books, that just unfair.

[Mechonis]

Originally posted by Tazor:

The game is full of pseudo-elitists who want to drag around a ♥♥♥♥ing library instead of potions and healing items

This made my night

[skibidi groilet]

epic post my friend, I would upvote it if I could