Players who are new to Legend: STOP USING SHIELD AND DRAKEGUN

[I just wanna drill]

This combo is a total noob trap but for some reason I see it ALL THE TIME, and it's always pretty useless. You aren't contributing anything except horde clear - which already wasn't a problem. If♥♥♥♥♥♥hits the fan you are guaranteed to go down because Shield weapons have such a low damage and dodge count, you can't clutch at all with them.

Good melee weapons for Legend: 2h hammer, 2h axe, 1h hammer, Dual Hammers

Good ranged options: Drakefire pistols, Handgun, Grudge Raker

If you want to use shield or Drakegun, fine - BUT DON'T USE THEM AT THE SAME TIME




Just to clarify, both shield weapons and Drakegun are definitely viable, but too many red skin IBs just hold block all the time and end the game with less than 100 kills...

[Gambit]

Actually helpful information lol

[Myrmidon]

Spot on mate. This is a solo game where everyone is supposed to occupy all roles and be a jack of all trades without any support from anyone else. People specialising in certain things and having their drawbacks mitigated by the overlapping specialisms of other players? It's nonsense, only in a co-op team game would this kind of thing be applicable. Not a great PvP like Vermintide.

[halogamb]

Originally posted by gggame:

If you want to use shield or Drakegun, fine - BUT DON'T USE THEM AT THE SAME TIME

The overwhelming majority of IB players out there play IB to get the easy carry. IB is a class that is very easy to do that, pick up and get to a point where you can be safely carried without needing to really carry your own weight most of the time. However actually mastering the career is fairly difficult as it's a noob trap that players need to get out of.

[Crawling Chaos]

Completely agree. Most IBs are idiots.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by gggame:

This combo is a total noob trap but for some reason I see it ALL THE TIME, and it's always pretty useless. You aren't contributing anything except horde clear - which already wasn't a problem. If♥♥♥♥♥♥hits the fan you are guaranteed to go down because Shield weapons have such a low damage and dodge count, you can't clutch at all with them.

Good melee weapons for Legend: 2h hammer, 2h axe, 1h hammer, Dual Hammers

Good ranged options: Drakefire pistols, Handgun, Grudge Raker

If you want to use shield or Drakegun, fine - BUT DON'T USE THEM AT THE SAME TIME

Can't really agree on that advice.
Only thing i do agree is that 2x same strenght weapons don't really help too much.
Also shields aren't that much needed on regular legend.
I'd say the easiest meleeweapons to use while still beeing able to deal with most (IB, since the other 2 need a bit more skill) are the 2h hammer and 2h axe.
I'd avoid the 2 hammers as you can't easily deal with multiple armored enemies (well, ok, stagger them and pray to get safed by mates).
And if a newcomer doesn't have the breakpoints i guess a crossbow could be superior to the handgun (if you anyway need 2 shots, why not have more ammo).

Sidepoint, having insane hordeclear can save a run too, if your team can't handle horde + anything.

[Athaleon]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Spot on mate. This is a solo game where everyone is supposed to occupy all roles and be a jack of all trades without any support from anyone else. People specialising in certain things and having their drawbacks mitigated by the overlapping specialisms of other players? It's nonsense, only in a co-op team game would this kind of thing be applicable. Not a great PvP like Vermintide.

This but unironically. In the current state of the game, every character can choose a loadout that makes them a master of all trades (which was true before 1.3, just with fewer options). Relying on teammates to do something for you that you could have done yourself but chose not to is not teamwork, it' the opposite of teamwork. If everyone took some kind of theoretical unitasker loadout, the interdependence of teammates means there are more moving parts and hence more failure points when things stop running smoothly. If SHTF and people get separated, the Anti Horde Guy cornered by Chaos Warriors, the Anti Armor Guy surrounded by a horde, etc. are all left with their proverbial ♥♥♥♥♥ in their hands, when they otherwise could have made it.

Complication isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you can spend simplicity to buy performance at a worthwhile rate. But that's just not how the game is, and barring a major overhaul of core gameplay (that will most likely never happen) it's never how the game will be. And that's not even necessarily a bad thing: When did people get this idea that teamwork necessarily requires a hard separation between highly specialized player roles?

[Born Sticky]

Mrymidon, what is it you think the IB specialises in?

[Myrmidon]

Originally posted by Athaleon:

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Spot on mate. This is a solo game where everyone is supposed to occupy all roles and be a jack of all trades without any support from anyone else. People specialising in certain things and having their drawbacks mitigated by the overlapping specialisms of other players? It's nonsense, only in a co-op team game would this kind of thing be applicable. Not a great PvP like Vermintide.

This but unironically. In the current state of the game, every character can choose a loadout that makes them a master of all trades. Relying on teammates to do something for you that you could have done yourself but chose not to is not teamwork, it' the opposite of teamwork. If everyone took some kind of theoretical unitasker loadout, the interdependence of teammates means there are more moving parts and hence more failure points when things stop running smoothly.

Complication isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you can spend simplicity to buy performance at a worthwhile rate. But that's just not how the game is, and barring a major overhaul of core gameplay (that will most likely never happen) it's never how the game will be. And that's not even necessarily a bad thing: When did people get this idea that teamwork necessarily requires a hard separation between highly specialized player roles?

I don't think I've ever had any proper arguments of these kinds of topics with other actual players. Usually people will counter-argument me and through pages of argument we learn that they're all solo, speed runners or severely anti-team orientated in all regards. Theres many many notable threads as of late where this has been the case. If people want to ♥♥♥♥♥ about team dynamics I would prefer at least ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ some of them to actually BE team players rather than solos.

[Myrmidon]

Originally posted by Born Sticky:

Mrymidon, what is it you think the IB specialises in?

Have you never bothered to read up on what Ironbreakers actually are? And what they're specifically used for in lore? Because their lore and ingame applications are married pretty precisely, far more than other careers when relative to their lore based units.

[Born Sticky]

I'm asking you, i was playing GamesWorkshop stuff before they ever did any games on any platform. So you tell me what IB specialises in, in this game. I don't need any lessons on lore.

[Myrmidon]

Originally posted by Born Sticky:

I'm asking you, i was playing GamesWorkshop stuff before they ever did any games on any platform. So you tell me what IB specialises in, in this game. I don't need any lessons on lore.

Ironbreakers are very clearly defensive units that operate in tight formations to absorb and immobilise hostile units. If you're really an old vet then you would know this. It's literally the description on every wikia and codex. Shields are synonymous with Ironbreakers.

[I just wanna drill]

Except there's no such thing as tanks in Vermintide. This isn't an MMORPG, there is no way to draw enemy aggro and let your team do the damage.

So the guy who just holds block and spams push ends up doing f*ck all.

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by gggame:

Except there's no such thing as tanks in Vermintide. This isn't an MMORPG, there is no way to draw enemy aggro and let your team do the damage.

So the guy who just holds block and spams push ends up doing f*ck all.

The Ironbreaker has exactly that as his active ability.

[Myrmidon]

Originally posted by gggame:

Except there's no such thing as tanks in Vermintide. This isn't an MMORPG, there is no way to draw enemy aggro and let your team do the damage.

So the guy who just holds block and spams push ends up doing f*ck all.

Are you actually having a laugh now? There is no way to redirect enemies to a specific point and draw aggro? This is literally all I've done for 2000 hours. Tanks are very much a thing.

[Born Sticky]

I'm talking in game Mrymidon, not lore. Unless that is your answer in game, a defensive unit that is there to hit the enemy. That is basically what you said....