[Balance Beta] Rock-Breaker

[Nauker]

Hello,
I just downloaded the beta and played three runs on legend as Ironbreaker. The first two I used Axe and Shield, first with temporary health on kill which didn't do anything (I know it is based on the enemys health) and then with Rock-Breaker, but still no temporary health. So I changed to the 1h hammer, but with it I still got barely any temp health and at one point suddenly a quarter of my max health and I don't know why.
Would someone please be so kind and explain how it works to the idiotic me?

[What The Sigmar?]

Are you aware of the level 20 talent changes? That’s my first troubleshooting question for you.

[Nauker]

Originally posted by •҉Rosy:

Are you aware of the level 20 talent changes? That’s my first troubleshooting question for you.

I've read both beta patch notes, at least skipped over them. So I do know what they have changed. But to me it seems that I can't build up any temp HP.

To put it simply I don't see the things I read in the notes in the actual game.
This tells me that I misunderstood something, but I can't figure out what.

[What The Sigmar?]

Well which level 20 talent are you using then? Killing blows? Stagger?

[Moffin Bovin]

the stagger one works on push. If you push a group of enemies you will get a ton of HP.

its dumb.

[Nauker]

Originally posted by •҉Rosy:

Well which level 20 talent are you using then? Killing blows? Stagger?

Just now I tried Grudge-Bone, HP on kill, with 2h axe worked quite decent. But initially I asked about Rock-Breaker, on stagger.

Originally posted by MofineBovine:

the stagger one works on push. If you push a group of enemies you will get a ton of HP.

its dumb.

On push really? That seems so unintuitive. Does it anything on light or charged attacks?

edit: Ok, with push it works. Would have tried that last, to be honest. Thank you for enlightening me.

[Moffin Bovin]

Originally posted by Nauker:

Originally posted by •҉Rosy:

Well which level 20 talent are you using then? Killing blows? Stagger?

Just now I tried Grudge-Bone, HP on kill, with 2h axe worked quite decent. But initially I asked about Rock-Breaker, on stagger.

Originally posted by MofineBovine:

the stagger one works on push. If you push a group of enemies you will get a ton of HP.

its dumb.

On push really? That seems so unintuitive. Does it anything on light or charged attacks?

It works on stagger, the more enemies you stagger and the more you stagger them by, the more temp hp you get. Its just that pushing staggers alot of enemies by alot.

[halogamb]

Take 2H hammer and heavy into hordes, you'll get a decent amount of temp and decimate hordes faster than ever before.

[Quothe]

the temp hp on kill talent is currently really weak in the beta, roughly 0.25HP per slave rat, and only 4 for a stormie, combined with a ~1.5 second delay before temp HP starts to decay iirc.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by MofineBovine:

the stagger one works on push. If you push a group of enemies you will get a ton of HP.

its dumb.

Not anymore. No wyou got max 5 with high stagger (push of shield) vs ♥♥♥♥, with 1h hammer max i saw is 3 hp per push of a horde.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Kvothe:

the temp hp on kill talent is currently really weak in the beta, roughly 0.25HP per slave rat, and only 4 for a stormie, combined with a ~1.5 second delay before temp HP starts to decay iirc.

It does not mean "weak".

THP per kill depend on a HP of enemy you killed. So if youy want get that THP from slaverats, equip weapon that do kill a lot of enemies per swing (2h axe). If you use smth like 1h hammer - focu on big ones, but better use THP on stagger, cause you hgaave CC weapon, lel.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by halogamb:

Take 2H hammer and heavy into hordes, you'll get a decent amount of temp and decimate hordes faster than ever before.

5 hp per swing into horde now.

[Quothe]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Originally posted by Kvothe:

the temp hp on kill talent is currently really weak in the beta, roughly 0.25HP per slave rat, and only 4 for a stormie, combined with a ~1.5 second delay before temp HP starts to decay iirc.

It does not mean "weak".

THP per kill depend on a HP of enemy you killed. So if youy want get that THP from slaverats, equip weapon that do kill a lot of enemies per swing (2h axe). If you use smth like 1h hammer - focu on big ones, but better use THP on stagger, cause you hgaave CC weapon, lel.

I literally just gave you the numbers. on slave rats, it's weak. it degenerates faster than you can generate it. From stormvermin it lasts for maybe 3-4 seconds. Unless you consistently kill maulers and CW (as in, get the killing blow) it IS weak.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Kvothe:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

It does not mean "weak".

THP per kill depend on a HP of enemy you killed. So if youy want get that THP from slaverats, equip weapon that do kill a lot of enemies per swing (2h axe). If you use smth like 1h hammer - focu on big ones, but better use THP on stagger, cause you hgaave CC weapon, lel.

I literally just gave you the numbers. on slave rats, it's weak. it degenerates faster than you can generate it. From stormvermin it lasts for maybe 3-4 seconds. Unless you consistently kill maulers and CW (as in, ge the killing blow) it IS weak.

And i literally just said you - TAKE THE RIGHT WEAPON, jeez. I played yesterday with 2h axe on IB and THP supply was sufficient to not care about any HP items on a map.

If that means "weak" - then i guess you need to learn how to avoid DMG and stop facetank.

Also - slaerat gives you about 0,5 THP, as far as i played. ANd since you start degenerating THP only 3 seconds after...


I mean... wha tyou do wrong, can you assume? XD

P.S.
This video was recorded before fix#1, so here THPO start to degenerate 1 second after gaining, not 3. And also i run wrong build (15% crit with opportunist, instead of 10% aspeed) And even THEN i did not care about healings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smiEd7FsYqI

[Quothe]

And again, I'm pointing out it's weak on some enemies, and ok on others after you ignored my post after you saw the first line of "the temp hp on kill talent is currently really weak in the beta, roughly 0.25HP per slave rat"

Can it be useful? sure, but not like stagger is, or even cleave.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Kvothe:

And again, I'm pointing out it's weak on some enemies, and ok on others after you ignored my post after you saw the first line of "the temp hp on kill talent is currently really weak in the beta, roughly 0.25HP per slave rat"

Can it be useful? sure, but not like stagger is, or even cleave.

Sigh...And i specifically pointed that... Alright, i give up. If you want old THP shower to make horde your healthpack... you would never get what i talk about, i guess.

Thanksfullty FS had enough balls to not listen to guys like you.