What is a good build for shade?

[Pink Eye]

Basically the title. I dont know what weapons I should be using on shade, nor what talents.

Any advice and help is very much appericated.

[Miki (Kuckuck)]

there are so many good things you could do.

you can get the talent that increases backstab to 100%, get dual daggers and just melt bosses when hitting from behind.

you can get increased dodge range and move speed and take spear and be like handmaiden except for the special ability (to oneshot chaos warrior from behind, or just to escape defensively, e.g)

you can get the volley crossbow, 25 talent that you stay invisible while shooting during special ability, and kill bosses really quick that way

lots of things, they're all good

[Pink Eye]

Hmm the dual dagger thing sounds cool. Any ideas on how I should go about it?

[CraSh]

Shade main checking in, I have to say I think she's the weakest of the three careers and not in a great spot right now. Infiltrate doesn't work about 40% of the time, if not more.

So, knowing that she's kinda weak, highly recommend spear. Talents for me are 2-1-3-2-3. Could also take 2 in the last tier. Utilizing her as a mostly-ranged character works well, especially with the ammo return.

Going back to broken Infiltrate, I tend to use it most to get behind a Chaos Warrior or pack of Stormvermin and swing at their backs. You'll usually kill a few SV and can reliably kill the Chaos Warrior. Tooltip doesn't say it, but it appears Infiltrate gives a big damage boost when you hit out of it.

[Rock]

I've been only playing as the Elf and I got her to 25 just now. Waystalker is the best one imo.
I wouldn't play as Shade before hitting level 25 so you can get all the talents, but what I would do is stack as much critical hit chance as I can and attack speed.

Since all critical hit backstabs can insta kill man sized enemies critical hit chance is the way to go to take full advantage of the passive talent. And if you stack attack speed and use dual daggers (really fast attacks by default) you can proc those critical hits quicker. One vital talent for Shade would be the ''critical hits grant temporary health''. Would help survivability against anything, even bosses.

But this is just my theory crafting for her so far. I'm planning to make myself a build for the Shade in few days or so.

[Pink Eye]

Originally posted by MyKe:

Shade main checking in, I have to say I think she's the weakest of the three careers and not in a great spot right now. Infiltrate doesn't work about 40% of the time, if not more.

So, knowing that she's kinda weak, highly recommend spear. Talents for me are 2-1-3-2-3. Could also take 2 in the last tier. Utilizing her as a mostly-ranged character works well, especially with the ammo return.

Going back to broken Infiltrate, I tend to use it most to get behind a Chaos Warrior or pack of Stormvermin and swing at their backs. You'll usually kill a few SV and can reliably kill the Chaos Warrior. Tooltip doesn't say it, but it appears Infiltrate gives a big damage boost when you hit out of it.

I tried doing the spear build on her and it didnt feel as good. I felt it was better to just give her a heavy melee weapon instead, seemed like she did more damage with a two handed sword or that axe thingy.

Honestly, I dont know what I am doing wrong with her. I really really like her, and want to make her useful and stuff.

[Pink Eye]

Imma try the dual dagger thingy though, mayeb the high crit with high attack speed will be stronger.

[Miki (Kuckuck)]

im sure she will get a buff soon tho, like movementspeed increase for special ability or something

[Midnight]

Originally posted by MyKe:

Shade main checking in, I have to say I think she's the weakest of the three careers and not in a great spot right now. Infiltrate doesn't work about 40% of the time, if not more.

So, knowing that she's kinda weak, highly recommend spear. Talents for me are 2-1-3-2-3. Could also take 2 in the last tier. Utilizing her as a mostly-ranged character works well, especially with the ammo return.

Going back to broken Infiltrate, I tend to use it most to get behind a Chaos Warrior or pack of Stormvermin and swing at their backs. You'll usually kill a few SV and can reliably kill the Chaos Warrior. Tooltip doesn't say it, but it appears Infiltrate gives a big damage boost when you hit out of it.

Spear is the worst weapon for Shade bar none. If you want to use spear don't pick Shade.

Beyond boss killing (that spear is also horrible at) Shade is great at skirting the side of the horde slashing away. Every elf weapon is better at this than spear, every single one.

[Matrias]

Daggers on shade with the 100% increased damage from behind is great for melting bosses and i feel its in a good place as a class spec designed for doing this role, go into stealth get a big charge attack backstab, and whack away or go into stealth unload crossbow then go for the backstab charge attack with the 25 talent of course.

[Matrias]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by MyKe:

Shade main checking in, I have to say I think she's the weakest of the three careers and not in a great spot right now. Infiltrate doesn't work about 40% of the time, if not more.

So, knowing that she's kinda weak, highly recommend spear. Talents for me are 2-1-3-2-3. Could also take 2 in the last tier. Utilizing her as a mostly-ranged character works well, especially with the ammo return.

Going back to broken Infiltrate, I tend to use it most to get behind a Chaos Warrior or pack of Stormvermin and swing at their backs. You'll usually kill a few SV and can reliably kill the Chaos Warrior. Tooltip doesn't say it, but it appears Infiltrate gives a big damage boost when you hit out of it.

Spear is the worst weapon for Shade bar none. If you want to use spear don't pick Shade.

Beyond boss killing (that spear is also horrible at) Shade is great at skirting the side of the horde slashing away. Every elf weapon is better at this than spear, every single one.

I agree the spear should only be used on Handmaiden, its designed to work like a shield, its push block radius is 180 and if you take the talents for 30% range your block/push angle goes behind you and if you stack the same stat on gear you can block/push a full 360 around you.
If you stand ontop of alies the stamina regen for everybody from the aura make you all immortal vs a horde so i feel Handmaiden may really help in higher difficulties with a shield user on your team.

[VarBear]

Originally posted by Rock:

I've been only playing as the Elf and I got her to 25 just now. Waystalker is the best one imo.
I wouldn't play as Shade before hitting level 25 so you can get all the talents, but what I would do is stack as much critical hit chance as I can and attack speed.

Since all critical hit backstabs can insta kill man sized enemies critical hit chance is the way to go to take full advantage of the passive talent. And if you stack attack speed and use dual daggers (really fast attacks by default) you can proc those critical hits quicker. One vital talent for Shade would be the ''critical hits grant temporary health''. Would help survivability against anything, even bosses.

But this is just my theory crafting for her so far. I'm planning to make myself a build for the Shade in few days or so.

Even with Daggers, I still think Kills grant temp health to be superior. The daggers light attack 1 hits small rats on Champion (haven't tried legend yet) meaning in theory every swing will grant you health against a horde. This is assuming someone else doesn't nick the kill before the DOT kicks in. 1 Charged hit/2 light hits kills the weak chaos warriors and 2 charged hits for the hooded axe guys. Either yourself using your ability, or another player will 1 hit a plated Chaos Warrior, but if not, you still have to use the slower Charged attacks, lowering it's value

Health on crit is not that useful if you basically kill everything in 1 hit anyway. Selecting it just for a boss isn't worth it especially since you SHOULD be using charged attack spam, lowering your speed (therefore number of total crits) but upping your dps. Generally, most of the damage you take in a game is during hordes, so that's when you should be mitigating it.