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Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 12:15
bot AI is dumb as bricks
can we get a feature to point and command the bots to pick an item up. I just fended off 4 waves waiting for their health to get destroyed, just so they would use a health potion and pick up a tome, which didnt even matter because the 3rd randomly threw the other down for a heal, used it, and just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off the wrong direction.
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DirectOrder 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 12:22 
I would love to be able to tag a healing potion, and have the bot with the lowest health pick it up.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:12 
Yeah, playing alone is a great way to get through the early game, as the difficulty is only scaled to 1 user, and you don't have to pull other's weight if even one person is slacking or not quite as good.

However, the friendly AI is proving to be a chore, because there is no way to have them make smart and prioritized decisions. They just kinda do what they want, when they want, how ever they want. They dont let low ammo users take the ammo, the dont prioritize healing while idle, or grabbig tomes.

Hell, one even ninja looted and grabbed a fire bomb out from under me, held onto it for 10 minutes, then just randomly gave it to me lol.
最后由 Plaxus 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:14
gachi is manly 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:15 
Pretty sure you'll eventually see Fatshark let the bots pick up tomes and grims when you highlight them. It's a heavily requested feature.

The fact that they can already do it when healing is not around makes me feel like they don't actually have a problem with people doing solo runs with the bots grim+tomes included. It just needs a bit of work.
最后由 gachi is manly 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:16
Mr Fred 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:19 
They follow you and will perform well or bad depending on YOUR skill. I can already clear champion with no issues with unmodded bots while I couldnt do the same in the first game until the QoL mod went out. Bardin bot with a shield is a god among man that will finish run full hp.
最后由 Mr Fred 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:19
gachi is manly 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:25 
引用自 Mr Fred
They follow you and will perform well or bad depending on YOUR skill. I can already clear champion with no issues with unmodded bots while I couldnt do the same in the first game until the QoL mod went out. Bardin bot with a shield is a god among man that will finish run full hp.

Sienna bot is better than half of the real Sienna players at handling specials, too.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:33 
引用自 Mr Fred
They follow you and will perform well or bad depending on YOUR skill. I can already clear champion with no issues with unmodded bots while I couldnt do the same in the first game until the QoL mod went out. Bardin bot with a shield is a god among man that will finish run full hp.
I dont know what playing has to do with state behavoirs, but ok...

the issue isnt clearly the maps, the issue is, they make behavoir decisions I'd rather they not.
最后由 Plaxus 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:33
Mr Fred 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:35 
引用自 Plaxus
引用自 Mr Fred
They follow you and will perform well or bad depending on YOUR skill. I can already clear champion with no issues with unmodded bots while I couldnt do the same in the first game until the QoL mod went out. Bardin bot with a shield is a god among man that will finish run full hp.
I dont know what playing has to do with state behavoirs, but ok...

the issue isnt clearly the maps, the issue is, they make behavoir decisions I'd rather they not.
The issue is that your bad at the game and so are your bots. Go improve and move on.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:44 
引用自 Mr Fred
The issue is that your bad at the game and so are your bots. Go improve and move on.

lmao, anything substantial to this claim, or just ♥♥♥♥ talking? (rhetorical question)

Keep in mind, my first post literally states how the game is easier than with players, I held off 4 waves just for sake of, and Im upset cause the boy threw down the tome before the end.

How do any of those things indicate Im a bad player? I haven't lost a mission yet solo.

You understand there is a big difference between leveraging a state machine and weighing choices, vs scaling back damage, agression or health to reflect a player? I dont even know if this game has adaptive difficulty, so the entirety of you assertion is literally out of thin air.

BTW, I'm a game developer of 12 years.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:47 
My complain is literally that; I have a tome, there is another on the ground and I can't pick them all up, Im standing right over it while my bots have nothing or potions they could use, and they wont pick it up. I'm at the mercy of AI that doesn't share my mind set. That's not a player issue lol.
Mr Fred 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:48 
引用自 Plaxus
引用自 Mr Fred
The issue is that your bad at the game and so are your bots. Go improve and move on.

lmao, anything substantial to this claim, or just ♥♥♥♥ talking? (rhetorical question)

Keep in mind, my first post literally states how the game is easier than with players, I held off 4 waves just for sake of, and Im upset cause the boy threw down the tome before the end.

How do any of those things indicate Im a bad player? I haven't lost a mission yet solo.

You understand there is a big difference between leveraging a state machine and weighing choices, vs scaling back damage, agression or health to reflect a player? I dont even know if this game has adaptive difficulty, so the entirety of you assertion is literally out of thin air.

BTW, I'm a game developer of 12 years.
Bots are better than most of the current playerbase including you and you are starting a thread about them being bad. It doesnt really get anymore substantial than that.

Not sure which part of they are following you you dont get... learn to position yourself properly and you will come to appreciate them. Of course they arent perfect but they are at least 5x better than vanilla bot from the first game.

Edit : 2nd point is valid, wait for QoL mod for the game.
最后由 Mr Fred 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:49
DirectOrder 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:48 
Yeah if they would just pick up whatever we tagged that would be awesome.
gachi is manly 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:52 
引用自 Denigrate
Yeah if they would just pick up whatever we tagged that would be awesome.

Yep.

A prioritize holding a tome over a potion. That way they don't just drop them the second they find a healing draught.
最后由 gachi is manly 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 1:52
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 2:06 
引用自 Mr Fred
Bots are better than most of the current playerbase including you and you are starting a thread about them being bad. It doesnt really get anymore substantial than that.

Not sure which part of they are following you you dont get... learn to position yourself properly and you will come to appreciate them. Of course they arent perfect but they are at least 5x better than vanilla bot from the first game.

Edit : 2nd point is valid, wait for QoL mod for the game.

That doesnt make sense. Just because the AI can kill the enemy and use its specials or attacks at more appropriate times, doesn't mean it also makes good decisions for the player. That just means the programming for optmized play doesn't allow it to make mistakes in combat very often while actual players fumble with the mechanics

That is actually more supportive of the idea that the AI is rushed, too rigged, and inflexible.(not to say it isnt better than VT1) Good AI makes bad decisions, or randomizes priorities to a point, or can be adaptive. Poor AI will always exicute the best manuver possible everytime and is pattern forming.

there is a term programmers throw around for this, its not artificial inteligence, its artificial stupidity you are programming. Programs can do everything flawless and make the best decisions given the right informaiton is passed through them. Its the mistakes that make them feel more human and beleivable

SO, its not a positionting issue. The AI simply doesnt have aknlowedgement that I value the tome over their stupid health vial. And they are super reluctant to pick up tomes when not placed in a spot where the tomes naturally spawn.(anytime they swap for heals) In some cases, prefering to carry nothing even. When there is no way to influence this game altering behavoir, it becomes extremely frustrating.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 2:09 
Even something as simple as me trying to swap for the tome, while already carrying one, the game already knows this and tells me I cant carry the same thing. They could very easily translate that to the AI and tell them Im clearly trying to pick that up, please go pick it up for me.
Plaxus 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 2:11 
Or conditionals, that test if I already have 2 tomes from the first method, then clearly I probably value them, and so AI should prioritize picking up the 3rd tome. This stuff isnt exactly complicated to program
最后由 Plaxus 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 12 日 下午 2:11
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