Volley Crossbow Armor Piercing

[TitanDeath]

So...anyone going to mention how this class specific weapon for a single target burst damage class can't actually do it's job and kill armored bosses and Chaos Warrior specials? It's literally fine as a weapon for killing threats except armored enemies. The final mission boss and Chaos Warriors take 0 damage from head shots and body shots. Unless I just can't aim or something.

[Val]

Volley Crossbow is the one with 15/15 ammo? I don't think this one is designed to fight armored enemies, it's more of a mid-range burst DPS machine. It's my main ranged weapon and I mostly use it against non-armored bosses/specials.

[Vice]

seems to kill stormvermin just fine...but it's near useless against chaos warriors in my experience

[Alfieri]

Almost no ranged weapons penetrate chaos warriors. Just melee them. They aren't too bad. Especially if you use a falchion

[Helldiver Dewey]

Originally posted by Raini:

Almost no ranged weapons penetrate chaos warriors. Just melee them. They aren't too bad. Especially if you use a falchion

Regular old headshots aren't good enough for chaos warriors. Need to crit too.

[#1 Slime NA]

Originally posted by Vice:

seems to kill stormvermin just fine...but it's near useless against chaos warriors in my experience

Stormvermin heads aren't armored. Never have been. Chaos warriors are armored body and head.

Volley crossbow would be busted if it pierced armor. There has to be some reason to use any other ranged weapon. Just because it's the exclusive Shade weapon doesn't mean it should be the one go-to weapon you always use. You can one shot chaos warriors with a backstab from your career skill anyway.

[Alfieri]

Originally posted by Dwest43:

Originally posted by Raini:

Almost no ranged weapons penetrate chaos warriors. Just melee them. They aren't too bad. Especially if you use a falchion

Regular old headshots aren't good enough for chaos warriors. Need to crit too.

You don't need to crit. Crit makes it faster but you don't need to. Attack and backstep and repeat. Luckily for me as zealot I got 50% increased damage to target I block for 3 sec on my falchion. So I block and get like 4 hits on him. They are slow enough to destroy

[TitanDeath]

Originally posted by One Elf Spear Wall:

Volley crossbow would be busted if it pierced armor. There has to be some reason to use any other ranged weapon. Just because it's the exclusive Shade weapon doesn't mean it should be the one go-to weapon you always use. You can one shot chaos warriors with a backstab from your career skill anyway.

Then what about the Repeater Pistol from Kruber? It's very similar to the Volley Crossbow, has comparable damage, and has burst fire. Except one has armor piercing and the other doesn't. It's a bit easier to kill with the Volley Crossbow due to how fast it fires, but they both fufill the same role in killing specials.

And I don't believe there really is a reason to take something other than the Volley Crossbow for Shade. Dual Daggers give good sweeps for hordes so Hagsbane isn't needed. Longbow is good, but better on Waywatcher due to fall off, and of course Swiftbow is useless on Shade.

[Rad]

Not only should the xbow pierce armor, the WH fantasy lore has Shades as being armor piercing haha.

[#1 Slime NA]

Originally posted by TitanDeath:

Originally posted by One Elf Spear Wall:

Volley crossbow would be busted if it pierced armor. There has to be some reason to use any other ranged weapon. Just because it's the exclusive Shade weapon doesn't mean it should be the one go-to weapon you always use. You can one shot chaos warriors with a backstab from your career skill anyway.

Then what about the Repeater Pistol from Kruber? It's very similar to the Volley Crossbow, has comparable damage, and has burst fire. Except one has armor piercing and the other doesn't. It's a bit easier to kill with the Volley Crossbow due to how fast it fires, but they both fufill the same role in killing specials.

And I don't believe there really is a reason to take something other than the Volley Crossbow for Shade. Dual Daggers give good sweeps for hordes so Hagsbane isn't needed. Longbow is good, but better on Waywatcher due to fall off, and of course Swiftbow is useless on Shade.

So you're saying the volley crossbow is already the best weapon on the shade. Why does it need any improvements in that case? I don't understand what you want here other than an overpowered weapon.

[TitanDeath]

Except it wouldn't be overpowered with it? You still have to be careful with ammo management. In fact, I don't see a reason to take Shade over Hunter unless you don't care about min maxing. Purely due to the fact that Repeating Pistols has armor piercing (ignoring OP class skills). Just because something may or may not be "best in slot" doesn't mean it's overpowered. There's two other classes that use the other bows well depending on playstyle and builds. They just aren't as good or useful on one class. Now if you can make an argument as to improve those bows for the Shade class I'm all ears. The only useful bow I could see myself using would be Longbow for armor piercing. The other bows just don't synergize with Shade.

And you still didn't answer the other part. Why does Kruber get a very similar weapon, except with armor piercing instead (along with OP boss killing, but that's another discussion). He can use burst fire 8 times, while Volley is 10 times. They have similar damage (I think Repeaters is a bit higher base damage), and ammo can be carefully managed through passive skills or drops.

Honestly, Shade has issues with killing armored bosses. Her role is a single target burst damage character. Yet Kruber has the Hunter class that also only uses one weapon, the Reapeater Pistol. It has a slightly different playstyle, but one has a huge advantage being that you can evenly spread out your party better because you have an armored boss killer (he also doesn't have damage falloff). If you're playing Kerillian for special kills, just play Waywatcher.

This is about balance between designated boss killers. Not other weapons. Hunter and Bounty Hunter both have the advantage. I would either nerf them so they can't pierce armor, or buff Volley Crossbow so it does pierce armor.

[Sire]

I think that Chaos warriors are a new damage profile or simply "armored" with an addition protection layer form ranged non crits. IIRC, somewhere the devs mentioned a "super heavy" armor, impervious to ranged attacks.

As far as my experience goes, CW body takes damage only from ranged if they score a critical hit, not sure about the head. However they can be harmed with any armor piercing melee.

Now i have to check in game, but i remember that Volley do armor piercing damage, since as also other people had already said, you can body-shot stormvermings to death. (check pending)

[Kek Topus]

I use it and it works fine

[TitanDeath]

Originally posted by Sire:

I think that Chaos warriors are a new damage profile or simply "armored" with an addition protection layer form ranged non crits. IIRC, somewhere the devs mentioned a "super heavy" armor, impervious to ranged attacks.

As far as my experience goes, CW body takes damage only from ranged if they score a critical hit, not sure about the head. However they can be harmed with any armor piercing melee.

Now i have to check in game, but i remember that Volley do armor piercing damage, since as also other people had already said, you can body-shot stormvermings to death. (check pending)

So are Hunter and Bounty Hunter's skills considered to be crits then? Is that why they can pierce their armor? Im always seeing them kill Chaos Warriors with their guns. So then why doesn't Shade also benefit from crits on skill use for her ranged weapon? Even if they get nerfed, they still have that Chaos Warrior pierce that Shade doesn't have. And yes, I know melee will one shot, but it can't do nearly enough damage for the final stage boss.

[Sire]

Originally posted by TitanDeath:

Originally posted by Sire:

I think that Chaos warriors are a new damage profile or simply "armored" with an addition protection layer form ranged non crits. IIRC, somewhere the devs mentioned a "super heavy" armor, impervious to ranged attacks.

As far as my experience goes, CW body takes damage only from ranged if they score a critical hit, not sure about the head. However they can be harmed with any armor piercing melee.

Now i have to check in game, but i remember that Volley do armor piercing damage, since as also other people had already said, you can body-shot stormvermings to death. (check pending)

So is Hunter and Bounty Hunter's skills considered to be crits then? Is that why they can pierce their armor? Im always seeing them kill Chaos Warriors with their guns. So then why doesn't Shade also benefit from crits on skill use for her ranged weapon? Even if they get nerfed, they still have that Chaos Warrior pierce that Shade doesn't have. And yes, I know melee will one shot, but it can't do nearly enough damage for the final stage boss.

Can't speak for hunter mechanics. BH does ranged crits when Impatient buff is ready (every 8 seconds or on melee kill), and yes all of the burst-shot weapon (Volley 3 shot and repeater unload) counts as a single activation.

Depending on Power and Difficulty, it's not uncommon to see CS getting mowed with one repeater charged. Also, IIRC impatient does work with BH F skill, that however might be able to bypass by itself any damage resistance as a inteded gaming mechianics? I don't know yet.

[Commiss4r]

why are you arguing about volley AP on chaos warriors, when the real issue with shade isyou only get one tertiary passive? (and its hard af to get backstabs)