Pyromancer or Unchained?

[Evo]

When I first started playing started maining sienna, I don't have anyone at passed level 2 besides her (shes like level 30 + 20). After playing about 30 legend games i'm really starting to wonder if i'm just going about her generally pyromancer build all wrong or if the unchained would fit me better.

Currently I have these weapons:

Dagger -  9.5% Power vs Chaos,  4.4% Attack Speed w/ Parry.

Beam Staff -  7.5% Power vs Monsters, 16% Crit power w/ Heat sink.

Necklace - 20% More health, 30% More block/push angle w/ Boon of Shallya.

Charm - 10% Power vs Chaos, 20% Crit Power w/ Decanter.

Trinket - 10% Cooldown reduction, 18% respawn speed w/ Shrapnel.

I usually end up dying pretty earlier on in the game and if its not my fault it's usually a patrol of chaos warriors. ]So here's what i'm asking; Will unchained be better for survivability overall vs. the pyromancer or is it just me and my ♥♥♥♥ skills thats the problem?

[Evo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zepade:

unchained if you are good at not getting hit more then every once in a while will be perfect and with natures bond you are almost unkillable because you take 50% less dmg bu you need to make sure to never hit 100%. but since you seem to get hit a lot maybe unchained wont be a good pick for you since you will mostly just explode but if you never overheat then she is almost impossible to die as.

if you were to go unchained you will need to pick between the mace or basic sword imo, basic sword if you wanna be able to handle hordes really well mace if you wanna handle armor really well.

you have a few choices of staffs *i use beam mostly* fireball and bolt and you would want to have both range/melee be reduce ability on crit and get as much crit as possible

also make sure 100% THAT YOU GET CURSE RES ON YOUR TRINKET its the most important stat in the game to have and seeing that you dont pains me.

from what you have said you arnt really good at avoiding dmg. playing the unchained will force you to get good at avoiding dmg at least it did for me as it was also my first to be leveled up and this was when you couldnt stop the explosion from using your ability.

you can also use the crit reduce ability cd on range/melee and just hold the beam into boss/hordes and spam the hell out of your ability. you can get a ability like every 10 seconds doing it that way or just stay heat sink both are fine

Diposting pertama kali oleh •҉Rosy:

They're practically exact opposites.

Pyromancer is great for taking out elites and specials but is weak in melee and is super squishy.

Unchained is great at crowd control but is a bit lacking in elite an special clearing. However, she's super tanky

Just depends on your preferred playstyle. I personally recommend unchained for pubs. You can clutch through hordes, chaos warriors, and elites all at the same time.

Wow, thanks for the long responses guys! I understand that they are complete opposites, which is exactly why I want to play her. She is a complex tank, thats what I like; even if she isn't ranged. At this point survivability is what i'm going for sense I usually end up alone against a couple of chaos warriors at a time....

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eagle_I_am:

I wonder how do you have the patience to play only one character and only one way. And still not master it ^^

Okay. First, take a thought that to undestand game better and play better, you should know all cahracters, roles and weapons. So go try everything.

Forget about crit power, it has worse effect than +armor type now.

Stack damage vs enemies to get particular breakponts, to kill on one shot or with given combo.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DuJQ0Ttn3N_FmEVpGr1By9ZgQV2683joSTxqm-xvLEc/edit#gid=1322330025
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G0wbaIJIuo-QlAAMgVaui0PvV_gnVXzMUEjztSsGdXw/edit#gid=1111103499
(make copy on ownd disk to make it work)

Get Trinket with 30-33% curse resistance. It is a must.

Get resourceful sharpshooter on beam. It is most broken build for pyro.
For Unchained best builds include thermal equalizer

All ranged oriented careers are very surviable. Especially pyro, becuse for her every mob around is a sack of white hp.

I'd say it is in your skills.

Thanks for this, if I ever decide to go back to pyromancer I will reference this link.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eater of Elf Minge:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ⎛⎝Vex⎠⎞:

When I first started playing started maining sienna, I don't have anyone at passed level 2 besides her (shes like level 30 + 20). After playing about 30 legend games i'm really starting to wonder if i'm just going about her generally pyromancer build all wrong or if the unchained would fit me better.

Currently I have these weapons:

Dagger -  9.5% Power vs Chaos,  4.4% Attack Speed w/ Parry.

Beam Staff -  7.5% Power vs Monsters, 16% Crit power w/ Heat sink.

Necklace - 20% More health, 30% More block/push angle w/ Boon of Shallya.

Charm - 10% Power vs Chaos, 20% Crit Power w/ Decanter.

Trinket - 10% Cooldown reduction, 18% respawn speed w/ Shrapnel.

I usually end up dying pretty earlier on in the game and if its not my fault it's usually a patrol of chaos warriors. ]So here's what i'm asking; Will unchained be better for survivability overall vs. the pyromancer or is it just me and my ♥♥♥♥ skills thats the problem?

Because besides making mistakes and dying you are trying to run a heatsink build with no crit chance on your trinket or weapon and to top it off you have respawn speed????? RESPAWN SPEED?????? I can't believe no one's mentione that yet. L2P and optimize your loadout my dude. How do you only play one class and you just have whatever values the game gave you by the looks of it.

Yeah thats also a big problem I have for pyromancer; I literally have no idea what to put on her. I've asked just about every friend I know but none of them could really offer anything helpful so I just went with that.

[Evo]

Overall though, i'm doing pretty good with her; i'm already really good at managing my overheat sense I got use to it as pyromancer and with this new feedback i'll have lots health when we have grims (I didn't even know what curse resistance was).

[Cacomistle]

If you're just talking survivability, unchained is a lot better. Takes 3 hits instead of 1 to kill you from CW, and shes better for killing multiple at once because staffs tend to be low damage vs them, and she has really high melee power at high heat. If you want to run beam, id recommend barrage on unchained. It has a really different playstyle thouo, where you kill mostly with melee and focus elites with beam to get barrage stacks, then finish them off with huge power bonus melee.

Although I personally like conflag or fireball with mace best on her. Doesn't play much different thsn pyro is you use fireball (you still kill everything with staff, just have to vent sometimes and use mace vs small numbers of enemies).

[Exto]

Pyromancer. Unchained's defensive capability is high but it's also very risky and its offensive capability is very weak even with the bomb, so you basically won't contribute much. It's fun though especially in vet :)

[Cacomistle]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Exto:

Pyromancer. Unchained's defensive capability is high but it's also very risky and its offensive capability is very weak even with the bomb, so you basically won't contribute much. It's fun though especially in vet :)

What is risky about unchained? She can cancel exploding now. Really wasn't hard to avoid before either.

Shes still sienna and her melee is amazing, so shes got decent offensive abilities. Just not pyro offensive abilities.

I'd say its personal preference and depends on staff. Pyro with fireball is barely better offensive than unchained imo for example, cause the crits on fireball don't matter much.

[Drothra]

Pyro is still best for Sienna. Beam is horde special and elite killer + dagger and career skill are awesome for chaos warriors.Only problem with Pyro is she is so paper. Everything can kill you in seconds.You should dodge + block push and run.Dagger is really good for it(good stamina+dodge distance+armor pen.)

[Evo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ShellaSunshine:

Sienna class breakdown:

Bright Wizard - Mix of ranged and melee /// high mobility (fire walk) /// can use Fire Walk ability as a bomb to push back enemies in order to escape or revive teammates (look down when activating)


Pyromancer - Ranged focused class /// high crit /// beam staff with heat sink for higher crit chances /// can thin out hordes to prevent team from being surrounded

Unchained - Melee focused class /// high risk, high reward /// can melt any enemy from range or melee /// fireball staff with power vs monsters and infantry makes her an unstoppable force /// increased melee damage on high overcharge /// flame sword with power vs monsters and infantry makes her even more unstoppable with the overcharge damage bonuse /// high mobility (increased movement/attack speed trinkets


As you can see, I mostly play as Unchained but I had experiemented with all of her careers. Even though almost every Sienna player is a Pyromancer, I have found that career to be somewhat bland and boring.

Just play around with each career. Change up your talents and weapons. Experiement with different properties and traits. Find the playstyle that you enjoy playing.

To be completely honest, Bright Wizard is now becoming my favorite. There had been times when I thought my team was going to wipe but managed to save the day by using my Fire Walk ability not as a means of escape but as a bomb. If you point downwards before activating it, the ability knocks back and stuns enemies, giving you a chance to revive team members or to give you breathing room when you're surrounded and are out of stamina.

I don't always use the career abilities as intended, I find different ways to use them so I have more of a understanding of what they can and cannot do.

Ok, thanks for this, i'll try out the battle mage :)