Rifle sucks (?) RIFLE MASTER PLEASE HELP

[Nikibanzai💀]

Just wonder what is the best Rifle set up? I found using Rifle is kinda lack of damage even thought it has 1k+ attack, I'm using Sakamoto Ryoma Mitama Rifle with +12, but still it's kinda lacking the dmg output or am I missing something?

I've tested on couple of runs, I can easily slay any Onis within game with my dual knives instead of Rifle, like it has 3minutes differences on phase 12 Large Onis

my Rifle mitama set:
Niijima Yae
Saika Magoichi
Akechi Mitsuhide

so any Rifle master out there can help? or any input will be appreciated!
I work my butt too hard to get finally that Mitama Rifle but it's quite disappointing lol

[Lioness 西施]

Replace Mitsuhide with Lady Suzuka. Read my guide, please. ^^ It's in the guides section. I can't link it because I'm on my tablet. Sorry!

Also, the Mitama rifles are a tiny bit niche. Try to get a Continuum, True Wanderer, or True Millennium, too.

People use Sakamoto Ryoma because they see the high base damage and paralysis. But the paralysis isn't necessary, and its damage and crit chance aren't as high as other weapons, so you're really just gimping yourself by using it. ^^

Edit: On my PC now. My guide: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=900307633

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For paralysis weapon type, destroyer is another way to go. The reason for that can be seen when fighting oni that resists all attribute such as anomalous. When paralysis or poison attribute is factored into a destroyer, the damage from ailment is not resisted. Neither does that number belong to slash, pierce, thrust. Your destroyer in such cases will always do more vs someone else with an elemental or pure non elemental weapon. With the delay bullets, it helps you to build gauge fastest. Couple with heaven's wrath and weapon gauge boost makes any ailment weapon good despite having those numbers not affecting damage in normal attacks. Oda Nobunaga for destroyer to crit. Akechi to build gauge. Last option is up to you.

[Lioness 西施]

On that topic, I don't think Sakamoto Ryoma's paralysis is reliable enough to create genuine synergy with Mitsuhide Akechi, and that's what's holding the OP back.

The OP's build is trying to balance DPS and utility, but it's using 2/3 of one build and 1/3 of a completely different build, so it won't perform well at either job.

I agree. Build either around Niijima Yae or Mitsuhide Akechi. Not both!

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I only give suggestions that is applicable when changing weapons. As to those 204 mitamas I have, it would be unfair to say guns benefits most from setup X/Y/Z when I still have 10% untrained untested. In general whenever someone is stuck with ailment weapons, destroyer is another way to go. Base attack of rifles is more than daggers, that's why.

[Lioness 西施]

Well, he's really not stuck with anything. The Anomalos Truerifle is really good for SPT and really easy to get.

[Misfit]

Sakamoto Ryoma
Oda Nobunaga
Niijima Yae
and continiuum rifle +12

use only dly bullets, demon hand yourself into the air and empty the clip with normal shots (you have a much higher attack speed while airborne). with 1 combo you usally destroy parts and fully load destroyer or the white combo meter. fire destroyer and repeat.

i have atleast one +12 weapon with nearly all weapon types and rifle is the fastest with most oni.
the downside is that it is more or less a close combat build.

ranged builds are pretty bad now after the nerfs from toukiden 1 (i mained rifle there).

if you want to stay at range i would use bow, its the safest weapon and has amazing dps.

edit:
thats the build i use atm.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/93856368661469215/74D48E6681FF28870C53065F95C22E7B77E1B266/

[Elazul]

Originally posted by Misfit:

if you want to stay at range i would use bow, its the safest weapon and has amazing dps.

Can confirm bow is pretty good for ranged. Works amazing in Ruins especially. As for Rifle I have not had a chance to play with the PLN build listed above yet, but I've tried the Spirit Rifle one and its pretty good. Also, I prefer the PRC bullets over the others 90% of the time. I'll use Explosive rounds the rest of the time if i'm out of skills and do charged shots when possible or go for aerial combos.

I use this setup for bow:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=904851681
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=904851779

[Zolfried]

can take no credit for this, found this, tried it.. loving it.

Chiba Sanako (SPD)
Expert Destroyer
Mirage Extend
Mirage Wraith

Saika Magoichi (SPT)
Readiness
Mirage Reduce
Mirage Wraith

Amaterasu (SPD)
Vigor Wraith
Mirage Wraith
Mirage Nimble

full discussion and where i found it here:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181163-toukiden-2/75191515

it works best with prc bullets.. but dly can churn out mad dmg if you know how to aim your shots... and know how many bullets you need to fire b4 spending time reloading, and getting rdy to use destroyer while the shots you fired takes 4 seconds to explode.

[Nikibanzai💀]

I basically have given up Rifle build since the damage cap is not even close to Bow, I found myself shocked once I started playing Bow, it's so effective and deal more damage, after all 80hours+ playing Rifle finally I realized Bow is 10x better in this game, now I have moved from Rifle to Bow permanently, lol

[Elazul]

Originally posted by ⋰n⋰i⋰k⋰i⋰b⋰a⋰n⋰z⋰a⋰i⋰:

I basically have given up Rifle build since the damage cap is not even close to Bow, I found myself shocked once I started playing Bow, it's so effective and deal more damage, after all 80hours+ playing Rifle finally I realized Bow is 10x better in this game, now I have moved from Rifle to Bow permanently, lol

Try this one below. I found this when searching online and tried it out and its working better than all the bow builds I have tried thus far. You pop all your skills + mirage and in 30 seconds you will have built and shot off 3 destroyers that double due to mirage blowing off at least 3 body parts. While waiting for the cooldown do some aerial combos to trigger Curse and basic shots or charged shots to the nodes will build up another destroyer pretty darn fast as well. Works even better than the SPT rifle build IMO. Using PRC ammo with the DragonGod's Roar rifle(Sakamoto Ryoma's Mitama weapon).

Sakamoto Ryoma (PLN)
Breaker+ (Sublime)
Breaker+ (Havoc)
Unique: Mitama Pulse + Expert Destroyer

Saika Magoichi (SPT)
Readiness
Curse+ (Restrain) OR Curse+ (Poison)
Mirage+ (Wraith)

Okita Soji (SPD)
Devastation
Mirage+ (Nimble)
Unique: Verity + Wrath

[Algester]

I use
Oda Nobunaga
Akechi Mitsuhide
Oichi build...
but this is a very situational build and is actually a pain to use if you are all alone
this build will kind of work if you have PRC or SNP as main ammo but EXP also works fine with it SCT if you are feeling extra manly
Toyotomi Hideyoshi in place of Oichi also works as well as Lady No
my Con build is
Hatsu
Oichi
Chacha
alternatively you can use Go instead of Chacha
as for SPT
Magoichi Saika
Akechi Mitsuhide
I forgot the demon hand mitama... cant go wrong

[Zolfried]

Originally posted by ⋰n⋰i⋰k⋰i⋰b⋰a⋰n⋰z⋰a⋰i⋰:

I basically have given up Rifle build since the damage cap is not even close to Bow, I found myself shocked once I started playing Bow, it's so effective and deal more damage, after all 80hours+ playing Rifle finally I realized Bow is 10x better in this game, now I have moved from Rifle to Bow permanently, lol

its either you play rifle wrong.. or me playing bow wrong.. i have the exact opposite experience :p currently playing with bow now.. but everything i do feel less impactful then my rifle :p

[Misfit]

the trick to bow is to always use cursed arrows, then explode them with charged shot or homing arrows, depending on your build.
charged arrow-wait 1 sec for the buff-explode the arrows-repeat
the normal attacks dont do much.

i mostly use this build for homing arrows with precision bow.
Lady Hangaku
Nasu no Yoichi
Minamoto no Yorimasa

[Elazul]

Originally posted by Zolfried:

can take no credit for this, found this, tried it.. loving it.

Chiba Sanako (SPD)
Expert Destroyer
Mirage Extend
Mirage Wraith

Saika Magoichi (SPT)
Readiness
Mirage Reduce
Mirage Wraith

Amaterasu (SPD)
Vigor Wraith
Mirage Wraith
Mirage Nimble

full discussion and where i found it here:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181163-toukiden-2/75191515

it works best with prc bullets.. but dly can churn out mad dmg if you know how to aim your shots... and know how many bullets you need to fire b4 spending time reloading, and getting rdy to use destroyer while the shots you fired takes 4 seconds to explode.

This is actually pretty good! Thanks for linking to this one. I like this one and the PLN one I mentioned before the best I think. Both bring out tons of destroyers, but I think the SPD build is just slightly better because of Energy letting you recover from charged shots easily and/or fast reloads during downtimes. That and Agility letting you tank one shot without damage is a huge boost on the higher difficulties where you could get one shot otherwise.

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Originally posted by Elazul:

Originally posted by Zolfried:

can take no credit for this, found this, tried it.. loving it.

Chiba Sanako (SPD)
Expert Destroyer
Mirage Extend
Mirage Wraith

Saika Magoichi (SPT)
Readiness
Mirage Reduce
Mirage Wraith

Amaterasu (SPD)
Vigor Wraith
Mirage Wraith
Mirage Nimble

full discussion and where i found it here:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181163-toukiden-2/75191515

it works best with prc bullets.. but dly can churn out mad dmg if you know how to aim your shots... and know how many bullets you need to fire b4 spending time reloading, and getting rdy to use destroyer while the shots you fired takes 4 seconds to explode.

This is actually pretty good! Thanks for linking to this one. I like this one and the PLN one I mentioned before the best I think. Both bring out tons of destroyers, but I think the SPD build is just slightly better because of Energy letting you recover from charged shots easily and/or fast reloads during downtimes. That and Agility letting you tank one shot without damage is a huge boost on the higher difficulties where you could get one shot otherwise.

Another variant using elemental weapons to regen focus and energy to reduce all skill cooldown. Weapons that uses it like Great teacher, revelation rifle. Any weapon with Delay and the higher the elemental attribute the better. Use Quick reload to replenish all bullets, manual reload reduces your DPS.
Sarutobi Sasuke (SPD)
Mirage+ (Wrath)
Mirage+ (Quicken)
Stone throw
Iyo (SPD)
Knowledge (Absorb)
Vigor+ (Wraith)
Vigor (Extend)
Lady Tokiwa (SPD)
Mirage (Extend)
Mirage+ (Nimble)
Motherly Love
Triple set (speed)

You can use other weapons type since it has no relation to gun skills.
Only use energy if all other skills are on cooldown.