Duel should be fair (suggestion)

[Yukomonomae]

I think the random sistem of the duel should be more fair. If i'm level 22 with only SR's and I have to fight against a 44 level person with all SSR's with evo, i'm obviously going to lose. It's always the same and I keep loosing, so it’s not fun. I know the sistem pairs people with similar score, but it should also bear in mind the level.

[Dao]

Duel is fair. The team with the better composition and souls win. Level has nothing to do with Strength. Trust me when I say this, a level 30 can still beat a level 60 (A level 36 got within the top 100). The system is quite fair; It rewards effort. Bluntly, you're too weak to be doing duel still. My suggestion is to play duel not to win but to gain honor to use in the shop.

To sum it up, Level isn't an indication of strength.

EDIT:
If someone is low rank with with higher grade unit that just means they don't do duel much; not caring about rank or that they just recently upgraded their units and tried to raise their ranks now.

[Yukomonomae]

Originally posted by notthehumanyourelookingfor:

Duel is fair. The team with the better composition and souls win. Level has nothing to do with Strength. Trust me when I say this, a level 30 can still beat a level 60 (A level 36 got within the top 100). The system is quite fair; It rewards effort. Bluntly, you're too weak to be doing duel still. My suggestion is to play duel not to win but to gain honor to use in the shop.

To sum it up, Level isn't an indication of strength.

EDIT:
If someone is low rank with with higher grade unit that just means they don't do duel much; not caring about rank or that they just recently upgraded their units and tried to raise their ranks now.

So you're saying if I don't have luck (or money) to have good cards, I should not want to do duel to win? That seems fair to you? I'm just saying duels should be against people of similar level/strenght, that way even if you're low level you could get better results. I do not want to wait to have good enough cards to "be able" to do duels

I'm just saying my point of view, that's it

[Dao]

Originally posted by YasashiYuko:

So you're saying if I don't have luck (or money) to have good cards, I should not want to do duel to win? That seems fair to you? I'm just saying duels should be against people of similar level/strenght, that way even if you're low level you could get better results. I do not want to wait to have good enough cards to "be able" to do duels

I'm just saying my point of view, that's it

I get what you're trying to say. It may seem unfair to you since you've just start and technically at the bottom. Right now, you should duel regardless if you win or lose. Those who have achieved a higher tier drop by one tier after resets so it' not a fall all the way back to 1000 rating; those trying to actually climb won't jump back down too far to kill newbies.
Ex. Duel Score of 1200 will drop to 1000 on Monday.
Ex2. Duel Score of 1399 will drop to 1000 on Monday.
Ex3. Duel Score of 1400 will drop to 1200 on Monday.

You don't need to spend any money to be good at this game. I've seen some people who spend thousands and still remain at around 2000 duel score while some free to play has achieved 2400+. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but you get the point. Luck does play a factor but unit rarity does not. You'll be surprised at how high you can climb with a full team of R and SR units.

Focus on Souls, Team Composition and Shiki Grades. You'll beat those much higher level than you in no time.

This game has one meta that greatly influences duel. Speed. Usually the team with the fastest unit wins.

[C4RNIVOR3]

Your strength comes from the souls on your shikigami, not the level of your onmyoji or shikigami. A lower level team with high grade souls with good bonuses will often win out over a high level team with bad souls equipped. not is correct, level is not an indication of strength. Or rather, it's not the sole indicator of strength. The only time level matters is for onmyoji totem, as a higher level totem will give skills and stat bonuses for your onmyoji. But shikigami and player level itself is not an accurate representation of someone's strength.

[Yukomonomae]

Originally posted by notthehumanyourelookingfor:

Originally posted by YasashiYuko:

So you're saying if I don't have luck (or money) to have good cards, I should not want to do duel to win? That seems fair to you? I'm just saying duels should be against people of similar level/strenght, that way even if you're low level you could get better results. I do not want to wait to have good enough cards to "be able" to do duels

I'm just saying my point of view, that's it

I get what you're trying to say. It may seem unfair to you since you've just start and technically at the bottom. Right now, you should duel regardless if you win or lose. Those who have achieved a higher tier drop by one tier after resets so it' not a fall all the way back to 1000 rating; those trying to actually climb won't jump back down too far to kill newbies.
Ex. Duel Score of 1200 will drop to 1000 on Monday.
Ex2. Duel Score of 1399 will drop to 1000 on Monday.
Ex3. Duel Score of 1400 will drop to 1200 on Monday.

You don't need to spend any money to be good at this game. I've seen some people who spend thousands and still remain at around 2000 duel score while some free to play has achieved 2400+. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but you get the point. Luck does play a factor but unit rarity does not. You'll be surprised at how high you can climb with a full team of R and SR units.

Focus on Souls, Team Composition and Shiki Grades. You'll beat those much higher level than you in no time.

This game has one meta that greatly influences duel. Speed. Usually the team with the fastest unit wins.

I know level doesn't equal to strength, but usually yes. Higher level means more experience, more time playing and possibly more chances to have more shikigamis and souls, more summons done... You can't deny it.

[C4RNIVOR3]

Originally posted by YasashiYuko:

I know level doesn't equal to strength, but usually yes. Higher level means more experience, more time playing and possibly more chances to have more shikigamis and souls, more summons done... You can't deny it.

It's still not the end all indicator of strength. The bonuses you earn just from leveling are minimal at best when compared to what bonuses souls offer, and getting lucky with good souls early on can go a long way. This isn't about high level = more experience, because that's not what you were talking about in your original post. You were insinuating that high level automatically equates to high strength and that's not necessarily true.

[Yukomonomae]

Originally posted by C4RNIVOR3:

Originally posted by YasashiYuko:

I know level doesn't equal to strength, but usually yes. Higher level means more experience, more time playing and possibly more chances to have more shikigamis and souls, more summons done... You can't deny it.

It's still not the end all indicator of strength. The bonuses you earn just from leveling are minimal at best when compared to what bonuses souls offer, and getting lucky with good souls early on can go a long way. This isn't about high level = more experience, because that's not what you were talking about in your original post. You were insinuating that high level automatically equates to high strength and that's not necessarily true.

It's related. And of course higher level means more experience, you level up by playing. And I wasn't staying particularly higher level means more strength, I was saying higher level means more experience and more chances of having good shikigamis and souls.
And that level 44 was just an example, I was just saying what usually happens when I do duel to win, I was irritated

[duyanh021192]

everyone same too , maybe one day you got high level and get a win against the low level player, this is the only rank score you can get at that level , you cant get higher with that condition , other player have same condition like you (lv 22 , only sr ) is at lower rank point, you lose much more then you can face them
so if you want to win more or get higher rank score you must spend time to build your team , soul , every one play like that
sr for my not good english :v

[Desna]

I just started, i dont know why everyone claim level don't matter, everytime i gain a level my stats increase, same for my shikis. During tutorial the duel thing open at level 15, i dont know what level my opponent was, but my level 15 shiki hitting for 300dmg didnt even remove 5% of his shki life and he 2 shoted mine, i doubt its cause he simply outplayed me, level do matter, at least at the beginning. Im sure difference between level 40 and level 60 with maxed out shkis isnt huge, but until you have maxed out shikis, forget duels.

[Yukomonomae]

Originally posted by Desna:

I just started, i dont know why everyone claim level don't matter, everytime i gain a level my stats increase, same for my shikis. During tutorial the duel thing open at level 15, i dont know what level my opponent was, but my level 15 shiki hitting for 300dmg didnt even remove 5% of his shki life and he 2 shoted mine, i doubt its cause he simply outplayed me, level do matter, at least at the beginning. Im sure difference between level 40 and level 60 with maxed out shkis isnt huge, but until you have maxed out shikis, forget duels.

Right? I agree totally with you

[C4RNIVOR3]

Originally posted by Desna:

I just started, i dont know why everyone claim level don't matter, everytime i gain a level my stats increase, same for my shikis.

Originally posted by C4RNIVOR3:

The bonuses you earn just from leveling are minimal at best when compared to what bonuses souls offer, and getting lucky with good souls early on can go a long way.

Let me put this very simply. If you take two of the exact same shikigami that are the same level, but one shikigami has no souls equipped, or souls with bad stats, and the other shikigami has souls with decent % atk/crt stats, the latter shikigami will be stronger. There is no ifs, ands or buts to this, the shikigami with better souls is outright stronger.

The stat increases from leveling up are minimal compared to what a soul set offers. When it comes to competing against other players, the player with the shiki that has better souls is generally going to win most of the time. Most shiki are going to be max, or close to max level, so there is only so far you can level a shiki. There are always improvements to be made to souls. Levels are not the sole deciding factor of strength, I don't know why this concept is difficult to understand. As you progress further even in the story you WILL need to find good souls to use on your shiki or you will struggle. Simply leveling up is not going to help.

You guys realize this kind of thing is a common rpg element that's in many games, right? Hell even pokemon is like this. Two pokemon of the exact same level with the same movesets will not be the same. If one of those pokemon has good IV and is EV trained or even has a more favourable nature, it will outright be superior to the pokemon that doesn't have those stat boosts. Shikigami aren't too different, there are more factors that determine their strength beyond just their level. This is the entire point I've been trying to argue in this thread that you guys don't get.

[Desna]

Soul bonus is only huge once you get em to high level, which again is related to the level of the player in order to amass that kind of coin. It's very expensive to upgrade souls and not worth doing at early level unless you manage some very good 4+grade ones with nice primary stats. As stated earlier the player level matter alot, not only do higher level player have higher grades shiki and levels, but they are able to farm better souls and get the coins required to upgrade them. So placing a level 20 guy against a level 40 guy is just stupid game concept, they should lock out duel until level 40 if they arent going to place similary leveled players against each others.

But i understand why the higher leveled player wouldnt want this, how else will they gain easy score without all the noobs giving it a try without prior knowledge to that mediocre matchmaking system.

[Dao]

Originally posted by Desna:

Soul bonus is only huge once you get em to high level, which again is related to the level of the player in order to amass that kind of coin. It's very expensive to upgrade souls and not worth doing at early level unless you manage some very good 4+grade ones with nice primary stats. As stated earlier the player level matter alot, not only do higher level player have higher grades shiki and levels, but they are able to farm better souls and get the coins required to upgrade them. So placing a level 20 guy against a level 40 guy is just stupid game concept, they should lock out duel until level 40 if they arent going to place similary leveled players against each others.

But i understand why the higher leveled player wouldnt want this, how else will they gain easy score without all the noobs giving it a try without prior knowledge to that mediocre matchmaking system.

This would be true if people didn't freeze their levels.You can practically stay low level for a prolonged amount of time (~Lv.30-40) and have played way more than level 60s; hence better souls and higher grade shikis. So in the end level does not matter.

[radkid10]

if I know I'm going to lose a fight I just put out dolls so I can watch fireworks
play the game for fun and join a guild and make your own Realm and do realm raids when you get around 9,000 to 10,000 ranking on that you'll fight players that actually around your level below that everybody's cannon fodder

[C4RNIVOR3]

Level 👏 is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 sole 👏 indication 👏 of 👏 strength👏

I don't know why everyone in this thread saying that level matters can't grasp such a simple concept. I don't know how much more simply the point needs to be made for people to understand that there are many things that determine the strength of player onmyoji and shikigami beyond just leveling.

As an example, I had my ootengu upgraded to g5 before I hit lv30. It's certainly possible to do.