n00bs joining Advanced games

[=THB= Captain Kuijt]

I'm not saying that I hate new players, no, not at all. I don't mind new people coming to this game, as long as they stick to Easy and/or Normal until they've gotten better at the game. What I don't like is when people with low playtime join Advanced games and then they seem to expect everyone else to play just as casually, carefree and laid-back as they do. Now my question is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they practice on Easy instead of Advanced or even Expert?

[KillerKrieg]

I had this same problem today. I had a nice, beautiful campaign of The Parish going when I got raided by a noobsquad who starter purposely triggering the cars. One was so noob she/he/they actually JUMPED on one of the red cars. Just when the BS from that one was dying down, it seemed like people started shooting cars on purpose.(car park is a trolls dream come true) People activated so many cars it blew my computers mind and my game crashed because I ran out of OS paged pool memory.

[Munkee]

KillerKrieg původně napsal:

I had this same problem today. I had a nice, beautiful campaign of The Parish going when I got raided by a noobsquad who starter purposely triggering the cars. One was so noob she/he/they actually JUMPED on one of the red cars. Just when the BS from that one was dying down, it seemed like people started shooting cars on purpose.(car park is a trolls dream come true) People activated so many cars it blew my computers mind and my game crashed because I ran out of OS paged pool memory.

yeah, i dont mind if someone shoots the cars, but i just hate when someone is dumbenough to do it on versus mode and thinks its funny.

[Restless]

=THB= Captain Kuijt původně napsal:

I'm not saying that I hate new players, no, not at all. I don't mind new people coming to this game, as long as they stick to Easy and/or Normal until they've gotten better at the game. What I don't like is when people with low playtime join Advanced games and then they seem to expect everyone else to play just as casually, carefree and laid-back as they do. Now my question is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they practice on Easy instead of Advanced or even Expert?

I agree, however, I dont even mind new players jumping into Advanced. I think its a great difficulty to learn on, as long as you have common sense, basic FPS skills and are receptive to advice. My biggest problem is when these new players insist on goofing around and playing sloppily in the name of "just having fun", because it is incredibly selfish on their part. When you try and tell these players what they're doing wrong, they ignore you or insult you (The phrase "get a life" is thrown around a lot). So in my opinion, limited playtime is a factor, but personality is a bigger factor. Some selfish people who are only concerned about their fun and not thinking about others fun or improving their own gameplay are just not enjoyable to play with or be around.

[Munkee]

Restless původně napsal:

=THB= Captain Kuijt původně napsal:

I'm not saying that I hate new players, no, not at all. I don't mind new people coming to this game, as long as they stick to Easy and/or Normal until they've gotten better at the game. What I don't like is when people with low playtime join Advanced games and then they seem to expect everyone else to play just as casually, carefree and laid-back as they do. Now my question is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they practice on Easy instead of Advanced or even Expert?

I agree, however, I dont even mind new players jumping into Advanced. I think its a great difficulty to play on, as long as you have common sense and basic FPS skills. My biggest problem is when these new players insist on goofing around and playing sloppily in the name of "just having fun", because it is incredibly selfish on their part. When you try and tell these players what they're doing wrong, the ignore you or insult you (The phrase "get a life" is thrown around a lot). So in my opinion, limited playtime is a factor, but personality is a bigger factor. Some selfish people who are only concerned about their fun and not thinking about others fun or improving their own gameplay are just not enjoyable to play with or be around.

normally if i join a game on any difficulty, i play serious for the first chapter, to see how they are, i like to goof off and have fun, but if they are just tryin to finish with a good score, then ill just point and shoot.
only thing i hate is when someone joins mid campaign, and decides "♥♥♥♥ you guys" and runs around alone the whole time. i like ending campaigns with all 0 incaps or deaths if i can.. so rushers are a pain sometimes for me..

[Restless]

Munkee původně napsal:

Restless původně napsal:

I agree, however, I dont even mind new players jumping into Advanced. I think its a great difficulty to play on, as long as you have common sense and basic FPS skills. My biggest problem is when these new players insist on goofing around and playing sloppily in the name of "just having fun", because it is incredibly selfish on their part. When you try and tell these players what they're doing wrong, the ignore you or insult you (The phrase "get a life" is thrown around a lot). So in my opinion, limited playtime is a factor, but personality is a bigger factor. Some selfish people who are only concerned about their fun and not thinking about others fun or improving their own gameplay are just not enjoyable to play with or be around.

normally if i join a game on any difficulty, i play serious for the first chapter, to see how they are, i like to goof off and have fun, but if they are just tryin to finish with a good score, then ill just point and shoot.
only thing i hate is when someone joins mid campaign, and decides "♥♥♥♥ you guys" and runs around alone the whole time. i like ending campaigns with all 0 incaps or deaths if i can.. so rushers are a pain sometimes for me..

The stats that my friends and I like to track and compete for are SI kills, common kills, tank damage, protects, and accuracy. We also go for least amount of incaps and usually get 0 deaths. And yes, being able to read your teammates is very important if you don't regularly play together or communicate. Every so often, we'll goof around too in small ways that don't affect gameplay, such as letting someone who failed a witch crown lose most of their incap hp, or molo each other at the end of rounds.

Indeed the selfish player ruins it for the entire party.

[The Butcher of Blaviken]

maxie526 původně napsal:

I'm not saying that I hate new players, no, not at all. I don't mind new people coming to this game, as long as they stick to Easy and/or Normal until they've gotten better at the game. What I don't like is when people with low playtime join Advanced games and then they seem to expect everyone else to play just as casually, carefree and laid-back as they do. Now my question is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they practice on Easy instead of Advanced or even Expert?

To be fair, its campaign only at the end of the day. If you are good player, you could always carry few noobs with you, if it was versus, you could complain all day about it and I would not have problem with it. Try to help them and tell them what to do, you should be fine at Advanced mode.

[=THB= Captain Kuijt]

The Knight of the Laughing Tree původně napsal:

maxie526 původně napsal:

I'm not saying that I hate new players, no, not at all. I don't mind new people coming to this game, as long as they stick to Easy and/or Normal until they've gotten better at the game. What I don't like is when people with low playtime join Advanced games and then they seem to expect everyone else to play just as casually, carefree and laid-back as they do. Now my question is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they practice on Easy instead of Advanced or even Expert?

To be fair, its campaign only at the end of the day. If you are good player, you could always carry few noobs with you, if it was versus, you could complain all day about it and I would not have problem with it. Try to help them and tell them what to do, you should be fine at Advanced mode.

Advanced is NOT suited for teaching noobs how to play the game as they often die very early on, derp around, wander off, etc... If someone was trying to do coaching for noobs, then Easy mode is far better. There is absolutely no reason for them to play Advanced so early on, it only causes anger within the Advanced mode community.

Not to mention that most noobs who have joined me in an ongoing game seem to be too mentally ret@rded (no idea why Valve censors that word, it's not even a swear) to even know how to vote "yes" or "no" on an ongoing vote. They don't listen to my advice 90% of the time and never use a mic despite this being a game that relies heavily on teamwork.

[Munkee]

my head hurts.. just finished the worst campaign of my life.. it was like.. my brain grew a tumor.. worst player i ever seen..
was late to saving anyone pinned.. shot every gascan even if we were standing near it, used pills when we were in the red, even if he had 50 health.. but part i am most mad about, i saw another medkit, me and a teammate were around 10 health each, i used my medkit on my teammate and went to grab the medkit, because we had to do the dark carnival running part (before finale)

he takes it and heals himself while in the green and im at about 13 temperary health..
so minute a charger got me, instead of saving me, he stayed back ad sniped.. when the next guy got pinned, he stayed back and sniped to protecthimself.. then 3rd guy.. stayed back.. then ran wrong direction whole time..

we finally beat that part.. and at the end i watch him healing.. in fire...and fireworks... then shoots a boomer infront of him..

im sorry, he couldnt be a noob.. he had to be doing it on purpose..
even my first time, i wasnt that slow, i knew fire=bad and medkits are only for when you need them..
he ran and sprayed whole game, i was in temperary health from being downed by a tank, and he kept running behind me and shooting through my body.. x.x

such a long rant.. but dammit, i wanted to punch him in the face, was too frustrating, i dont mind losing a chapter once or twice, but not when the situation is from something so stupid

[=THB= Captain Kuijt]

ultra původně napsal:

Because the quick match button does not give a damn about difficulty. It can throw you anywhere.

Actually I've never thought about that, I've never used quick match in L4D2 (for obvious reasons). Good explanation.

[Mr. Alex]

Munkee původně napsal:

my head hurts.. just finished the worst campaign of my life.. it was like.. my brain grew a tumor.. worst player i ever seen..

Question is, why didnt you votekick him?

[General SnuSnu]

exactly thats what votekick is for

[lol.Killer5^p [no monitor]]

Imo these people are the ones that give players who are already able to beat campaigns with their eyes closed with friends an opportunity to become even better players.

If fools do whatev and die it gives you the opportunity to be clutch or it gives you the opportunity to carry them through the campaign. Which is much more difficult than playing with friends who dont get destroyed by tanks or run ahead and get owned by jockeys.

[Munkee]

Mr. Alex původně napsal:

Munkee původně napsal:

my head hurts.. just finished the worst campaign of my life.. it was like.. my brain grew a tumor.. worst player i ever seen..

Question is, why didnt you votekick him?

i dont vote kick unless someone is a ♥♥♥♥.
he was doing stupid stuff, but all in all, he didnt talk ♥♥♥♥.

[Steel Prophet]

ffoooooooodd

[bob]

It used to be that advanced had a lot more good players than expert, because only the players interested in actually improving played advanced, while most of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and absolute noobs joined expert games.

Unfortunately noobs are in the advanced games now, you say? There's not really much you can do about it. Some new players who are very good at FPS can be pretty decent in L4D2 at hard difficulties, but the majority of them just join the harder games because they think they're hot ♥♥♥♥ and don't really care if they're ruining someone else's game.

If you start adding the competent players you come across in advanced games, you can later join their games; even if you have just one other good player on your team, if you guys stick together and play carefully enough, you can be fine disregarding the other two. And if you're fortunate enough to have 2 other good players, you can always vote kick the trolls who join. I added everyone good starting on advanced and continued in expert, and now I have a bunch of people whose games I can join and not have to worry about a completely pointless game.