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Any advice for Last Stand Expert Realism? (preferably Solo w/ Bots)
Tried doing it Solo w/ Bots, but they take way too much damage and burn through med kits.

Farthest I made it was the forest fire but, on average, I'm making it anywhere between the first house (where I'll restart if they already took damage and had to use their med kits) or to the Crane area.
Last edited by Undefined; Mar 15 @ 2:13pm
Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:
for me the hard part was gathering the gas cans and dealing with the double tanks

left 4 bots 2 helped a lot with with the rest of the campaign but they still suck at dodging tanks

i had to use the wait command to have the bots stay near the lighthouse while i gathered all the gas cans on my own, since otherwise they would split up, get pounced somewhere and be near impossible to defib with all the trees hiding their body (even the other bots couldn't find it)
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Geebanger0 Mar 15 @ 10:02pm 
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
i know you don't care, u just admitted to using cheats.

You say it as if he was using aimbot or console commands to clear all infected. Even with a bot improvement mod, it's still better to play with real humans who can make proper decisions and adapt moment to moment. It's not "cheating" so much as it's giving yourself some semblance of a chance as opposed to playing solo with vanilla bots.

If OP had earned the achievement with a team of 3 other veteran players who carried them through, you'd likely argue that was perfectly fine. However, that would be far easier and require far less effort than playing solo with a bot improvement mod. The latter has more merit to it, making the achievement more meaningful.

Originally posted by Ayyoue:
i can also cite my 2700 hours of l4d1 + 1600 of l4d2 hours on ways that i saw bots dying and losing runs because they couldn't shove a smoker tongue 2 inches away from me. But i didn't end up cheating. Because, in the end, it was my own fault.

If you're incapable of feeling any sense of pride in your accomplishments without having made things needlessly painful and difficult for yourself, then you're allowed to do that. Just like how if OP is unable or unwilling to play with other people and just wants to get the achievement on their own, they're allowed to do that too.

Most people would probably recognise that wasting hours of your time restarting the campaign due to deeply rooted problems with the games vanilla survivor AI is a pretty dumb thing to do just to 'prove' you're good at the game. If you're ok with having your time wasted in that manner, that's completely fine. But you probably shouldn't treat it like a pissing contest.

Originally posted by Ayyoue:
it's rather ironic that you ask for advice on doing a "solo with bots" run and you end up cheating your way through. It's funny even.

If you spent less time trying to change how other people play in singleplayer and more time actually improving at the game, you probably wouldn't be missing so many achievements either :BL3Thumbsup:
"if you were making threads"
"If" is a keyword here
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
Originally posted by dale.kaiser:
Yeah if you were making threads you'd tell everyone that you the best in the world and can beat left 4 dead 1 & 2 campaigns expert realism with just one finger drinking moutiandew.
What are you on about? Did you just try to put words in my mouth? Stop stooping so low and get a grip.

Context for outside parties: both of these 2 last people that replied to me got into arguments with me in the past. Now they got a whiff of a "chance" to take revenge, and here we are.
says the guy who has issues of people cheating on single player LOL.
Originally posted by dale.kaiser:
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
What are you on about? Did you just try to put words in my mouth? Stop stooping so low and get a grip.

Context for outside parties: both of these 2 last people that replied to me got into arguments with me in the past. Now they got a whiff of a "chance" to take revenge, and here we are.
says the guy who has issues of people cheating on single player LOL.

No this is worst, he's not salty about the "cheating" per se, if I was to make a fair observation. This is about achievements

in 2025
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
This thread summarized:
> Can anyone help me do this hard thing?
>>> Ye dude, use *this* cheat.
> i got it, i completed the previously hard task i had at hand! i even got some suggestions (but bear in mind that i cheated).
if it's freely accessible to everyone and it doesn't get you vac banned, it's not cheating

i'd rather use a mod that makes singleplayer far less frustrating than wait another decade for valve to update their vanilla bot ai
Last edited by (っ● ‿ ●)っ; Mar 15 @ 10:13pm
Ayyoue Mar 15 @ 10:16pm 
Originally posted by Geebanger0:
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
i know you don't care, u just admitted to using cheats.

You say it as if he was using aimbot
He did use aimbot. Go check the left 4 bots parameters. It is an aimbot for bots and also much more than that.

Originally posted by Geebanger0:
If OP had earned the achievement
Let me stop you right there. Who the heck is talking about achievements? Get back to the point. i literally skipped through the rest of your rambling on this one.

Originally posted by Geebanger0:
If you're incapable of feeling any sense of pride in your accomplishments without having made things needlessly painful and difficult for yourself, then you're allowed to do that. Just like how if OP is unable or unwilling to play with other people and just wants to get the achievement on their own, they're allowed to do that too.
Dude literally cheated his way through. He chose the hardest difficulty the vanilla game has, and ended up using cheats. Get back to reality.

Originally posted by Geebanger0:
Most people would probably recognise that wasting hours of your time restarting the campaign due to deeply rooted problems with the games vanilla survivor AI is a pretty dumb thing to do just to 'prove' you're good at the game. If you're ok with having your time wasted in that manner, that's completely fine. But you probably shouldn't treat it like a pissing contest.
No one is treating it like a pissing contest. You just show up and accuse people of stuff for your own benefit. Does that work often?
Again, i'll make this easy for you: He chose the hardest difficulty the vanilla game has, and ended up using cheats. Then he came back to give advice on how to complete the campaign. My guy, this is a joke. You just didn't get it yet, since you're hellbent on being aggressively defensive.

Originally posted by Geebanger0:
If you spent less time trying to change how other people play in singleplayer and more time actually improving at the game, you probably wouldn't be missing so many achievements either :BL3Thumbsup:
I'm not trying to change anything. You're just reaching out for whatever u can at this point.
i couldn't care less about achievements. i play for fun, not for clout. You'd get that by actually checking my achievement data thoroughly. They were all "achieved" by playing the game normally, quite some time ago. i didn't even complete survivals because i find survivals boring.
And the versus ones were indirectly done by helping other people get their own achievements.
The one game i can think of that i have all the achievements is Wizard of Legend and all of them were done playing the game normally.

For context, once again: This person has also got into arguments with me in the past and is a big friend of the first person that replied to me, so here he is "hero to the rescue" style.

Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:
if it's freely accessible to everyone and it doesn't get you vac banned, it's not cheating
What? WHAT?

Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:
i'd rather use a mod that makes singleplayer far less frustrating than wait another decade for valve to update their vanilla bot ai
The bot AI did get upgraded from l4d1. And again with the TLS update.
if it isn't enough for you, then it's your own skill issue and that's fine. But don't act like it's the bot's fault.

Originally posted by dale.kaiser:
says the guy who has issues of people cheating on single player LOL.
AGAIN, putting words in my mouth... I don't have issues with people cheating in singleplayer or in multiplayer (as long as i'm not there).

What i do have an issue with, is cheating after asking for advice on how to complete a campaign. And also an issue with someone having the nerve to give advice on the same thread that he admitted cheating, as if that person had proper experience to give advice on the matter.

Everything was said in the first replies, but here i am... Repeating myself.

Originally posted by Eight♥Six:
No this is worst, he's not salty about the "cheating" per se, if I was to make a fair observation. This is about achievements

in 2025
Again, i don't understand where you all are getting that whole "achievement issue" thing. I have not mentioned achievements at all (nor do i have issues with people cheating to get them).
Last edited by Ayyoue; Mar 16 @ 12:43am
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:
i'd rather use a mod that makes singleplayer far less frustrating than wait another decade for valve to update their vanilla bot ai
The bot AI did get upgraded from l4d1. And again with the TLS update.
and yet they still do things like shoving chargers and walking past medkits with an empty slot, including the ones in the saferoom sometimes

Originally posted by Ayyoue:
if it isn't enough for you, then it's your own skill issue and that's fine. But don't act like it's the bot's fault.
mr "Average damage to teammates: 328.00", i should remind you this is a team co-op game
Ayyoue Mar 15 @ 10:34pm 
Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
if it isn't enough for you, then it's your own skill issue and that's fine. But don't act like it's the bot's fault.
mr "Average damage to teammates: 328.00", i should remind you this is a team co-op game
Still clinging to your own illogical conclusions in an attempt to validate your point?
Ok, this will be the last time i indulge any of you:
Those stats mean nothing. If you have played as many hours as i have, you are bound to play on modded servers. You can shoot a single bullet and it will do 1 million damage to a survivor and he will have 100 million health. i'm exaggerating a bit with the "million" part, but those that know these type of games, know.
I also indulge in messing around (consensually) with people i know. For example, having a round (usually more) of PvP in the saferoom where we can just all respawn there upon team death. Even the last surviving team mate will throw a molotov at his feet just to respawn us all.

My "Most damage done to team mates" is "7,849 (on Expert)". Do you think this is even normally doable? You have to go out of your way to achieve such numbers.
For reference, i checked one person's stats from this thread and he has "Most damage done to team mates: 67,111 (on Expert)". That's the same as killing one survivor 167 times in one single game. Dude had a game where he probably killed more survivors than zombies... i jest though, i believe the story behind it is a curious one.
But ye.. Nice going at cherry picking my stats, just to validate your own lack of arguments.

Even my finales survived are messed up because i make it my mission to suicide at the end (my favourite being in No Mercy, jumping out of the building once the team is in the helicopter).

Dang, most of my content here is just defending myself against made-up statements. Manipulation is the word of the day, i guess.
Last edited by Ayyoue; Mar 16 @ 5:38pm
jose Mar 16 @ 5:22pm 
be like noskillch
Originally posted by jose:
be like noskillch
lol I was watching his video on this achievement when I was trying to do it.

I wish I were that good.
Ayyoue Mar 16 @ 5:36pm 
Originally posted by Undefined:
Originally posted by jose:
be like noskillch
lol I was watching his video on this achievement when I was trying to do it.

I wish I were that good.
Step 1: Don't use cheats (already failed)
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
i should've unsubscribed from this thread way earlier. i hope the effort here deposited will help in transcending everyone's silly thoughts.
Also, i'm 100% out of here so i won't be reading any more replies. Good riddance to us all!

lol
Originally posted by jose:
be like noskillch
Nah, I don't speak Russian. Plus i use controller and dont like playing public versus.
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
Originally posted by Undefined:
lol I was watching his video on this achievement when I was trying to do it.

I wish I were that good.
Step 1: Don't use cheats (already failed)
he is using cheats too dude calm down.
Ayyoue Mar 16 @ 5:41pm 
Originally posted by Eight♥Six:
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
i should've unsubscribed from this thread way earlier. i hope the effort here deposited will help in transcending everyone's silly thoughts.
Also, i'm 100% out of here so i won't be reading any more replies. Good riddance to us all!

lol
i edited that out as soon as i made my new appearance =)
i'm out again, i just felt like pointing out that OP is a cheater would be even funnier the second time.

Originally posted by dale.kaiser:
Originally posted by Ayyoue:
Step 1: Don't use cheats (already failed)
he is using cheats too dude calm down.
Ah, i was under the misconception that he was a legit skilled player since OP said "i wish i was as good as him".
lol it's even funnier now.
Last edited by Ayyoue; Mar 16 @ 5:44pm
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