Do Most People Just Wish TLS Update Never Happened?

[Roiditron77]

I don't get it, do people just wish the last stand update didn't happen at all?

cuz I'll agree and say the csgo guns look ♥♥♥♥, and the new melees have some lacklustre animations and the last stand campaign, itself does feel like a c tier workshop campaign, but without TLS, we wouldn't have all L4D1 infected both special and common and even new uncommon variants in campaigns, and some cut content like all the cut voice lines are very nice to have.

for comparison I originally played L4D2 on the xbox one with backwards compatibility, and wanted to switch because of community mod support and the improvement of the, then at the time, newly announced last stand update. On the xbox vanilla version, the characters only said they hear hunters and jockeys, and bill wouldn't even shout smoker or boomer, which is why I was shocked to hear him shout them out in the PC version, the viewmodels in the original version were too weird and dumb looking on a few guns, I never wanted to pick up the smg, because it looked like I had some sort of side turret on the side of my head instead of just properly holding it in front of me. also the only time the game use to have L4D1 common infected was on no mercy at the hospital, and they looked noticeably different compared to all the other L4D2 commons, also no mercy was the only campaign that played L4D1 music originally.

Besides TLS has some fun stuff it introduced too, like all the new survival maps with the fun little golden crowbar easter eggs which I find no games do stuff like that anymore now, and as mentioned all the L4D1 infected coming back with improvements, and hey now bill will say when he hears a smoker! I'm NOT trying to defend the last stand, it definitely feels like an unfinished update what with the new weapons they introduced, and the campaign itself feeling very different from the official ones, I'm just saying I feel that saying stuff like "shovel swinging, gold crowbar loving, Last ♥♥♥♥ fanboy" and actively trashing it makes me wonder, do people just wish The Last Stand never happened? or in other words-
"Do you prefer Left 4 Dead 2 had never gotten an update since 2014?"

I'm not trying to start a war or call out haters of TLS or trying to convert people or any other BS, I just genuinely want to know, do people think the bad outweighs the good?

and I'll admit too, I don't know all the negatives that came with TLS, so I could've possibly made this discussion for nothing, which I'll accept. if you know anything, then please do inform me about what I don't know about this update or didn't mention

[sno0ks]

the cut voice lines are terrible. that's why they were cut. now you have to mod your vocalizer just to be able to use the good stuff because 50 terrible lines dilute the original pool into nonexistence.

also the old common infected look terrible in l4d2.

i just wish it stayed the way it was pre-TLS. maybe if there were egregious vs exploits you could patch them out but these dudes ♥♥♥♥ all over a classic. removing vocalizers from vs? that is like the epitome of soulless. only butthurts would make that decision. it's a MP game from 2014. it's supposed to be a little toxic, ffs, not bubble wrapped soulless slop. campaign exists for the non-sweatlords like me and it has always been fine.

i cant understate how important the vocalizer thing is. it seems like a little thing but is a huge part of the game's identity and even serves a bit of gameplay purpose, and the way it was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with by the devs shows they have no clue what the soul of l4d is about.

add to that the "new" animations and view models that just look terrible. something else i have to mod out. the new pistols look so bad. so janky. the ellis healing animation looks so amateur. idk if they made it or valve did but cut it but either way it just looks like it belongs in a AA game. why the ♥♥♥♥ was any of that necessary? these things were perfectly fine before and some random dudes with zero respect for the game just come in and change it because they think they know better.

this is to say nothing of how they yeeted half of people's mods.

but of course i am in the minority. the vast majority either dont care or just started playing after the update and have no clue. but there are plenty of people like me out there. a lot of them just stopped playing, myself included, because their home game has been permanently ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for no reason. all i can do is impotently complain on these forums once a year and occasionally try to fight the cringe when im faced with something i cant mod on the off chance I do try to play my favorite game again.

[**DeiRowtag]

I don't mind it didn't change my game drastically I enjoy as much as I always did

Voice line removal and minor annoying things were made by elitist crybaby but it's not a huge change, and you can still voice spam troll which they didn't take in consideration so it was utterly pointless

As for CSS guns it's not a problem either I enjoy awp mp5 and sg550 just the scout is really bad

[England is not a real country]

I only got this game after the last stand update so i can´t exactly be sure whetever or not the game was better without it,
Worse thing is,
People talk about this update as if the TLS team killed their loved ones and took a fat dump in their graves,

I dunno if it is personal bias or just genuine hatreed...

[Joshua Kurayami]

The only thing I'm annoyed with are the options you are given for models. Either you have to play singleplayer to use scripts and swap the L4d1 models with L4d2 models, or if you actually want to play with people (which is the option I go with) then you have to play without scripts (If you only play on official dedicated servers) And have to find a workshop model that also works for L4d1, but screw me for having a favorite (Oberon tank) that only works for L4d2 maps, or other people that like certain models that only work in certain maps.

The ability to swap l4d1 models with l4d2 models should be part of the game, not a script that I can't use in most multiplayer settings.

[Bathtub Shitter]

To me it's like the game didn't even change but some people seem upset.

[Pitusasx3]

tabaco

[sus]

My only complaint is the CSS and TLS weapons being in the weapon rotation. The SG552 and MP5 could stay if they fixed the broken reload timing and dated animations, but the rest are garbage.

However it did fix a lot glaring issues that made L4D2 look like a rushed sequel (which it was).

[supersand]

I wouldn't want to revert it, some of the changes sucked like some of the 'new' voicelines and the 'new' snipers but all the bugfixes, survival maps, and QoL tweaks were very worth.

Bad voicelines and weapons can be fixed in the future (thou they've taken their sweet time with it)

[ᴿᴱᴻᴱ™]

Originally posted by sno0ks:

the cut voice lines are terrible. that's why they were cut. now you have to mod your vocalizer just to be able to use the good stuff because 50 terrible lines dilute the original pool into nonexistence.

also the old common infected look terrible in l4d2.

i just wish it stayed the way it was pre-TLS. maybe if there were egregious vs exploits you could patch them out but these dudes ♥♥♥♥ all over a classic. removing vocalizers from vs? that is like the epitome of soulless. only butthurts would make that decision. it's a MP game from 2014. it's supposed to be a little toxic, ffs, not bubble wrapped soulless slop. campaign exists for the non-sweatlords like me and it has always been fine.

i cant understate how important the vocalizer thing is. it seems like a little thing but is a huge part of the game's identity and even serves a bit of gameplay purpose, and the way it was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with by the devs shows they have no clue what the soul of l4d is about.

add to that the "new" animations and view models that just look terrible. something else i have to mod out. the new pistols look so bad. so janky. the ellis healing animation looks so amateur. idk if they made it or valve did but cut it but either way it just looks like it belongs in a AA game. why the ♥♥♥♥ was any of that necessary? these things were perfectly fine before and some random dudes with zero respect for the game just come in and change it because they think they know better.

this is to say nothing of how they yeeted half of people's mods.

but of course i am in the minority. the vast majority either dont care or just started playing after the update and have no clue. but there are plenty of people like me out there. a lot of them just stopped playing, myself included, because their home game has been permanently ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for no reason. all i can do is impotently complain on these forums once a year and occasionally try to fight the cringe when im faced with something i cant mod on the off chance I do try to play my favorite game again.

2009

[Saeru]

i think it was great that valve allowed the comunity to update the game, but at the same time it was not perfect, people expected more than what the update actually did and the result is not bad either but it feels that all the hype got ruined in just a few hours, it's like when you want an ice cream so badly and when you finally got it, it wasn't the flavor that you thought at all.

[supersand]

Originally posted by Saeru:

i think it was great that valve allowed the comunity to update the game, but at the same time it was not perfect, people expected more than what the update actually did and the result is not bad either but it feels that all the hype got ruined in just a few hours, it's like when you want an ice cream so badly and when you finally got it, it wasn't the flavor that you thought at all.

i agree they shouldn't of hyped it up so much, it really set things up for disappointment

[Scully]

the ai director is downright homicidal most of the time spawning specials directly infront of me and the others i play with, i have had several occasions where it just decided to put a tank behind me for funsies it also doesnt help that the survivor ai is now genuinely mentally handicapped 95% of the time. the amount of times i have watched bots walking around aimlessly while not shooting the several infected around them is downright ridiculous its especially annoying when it takes them a solid 20 seconds to realize that someone is getting attacked by a special

[Johnny Casey]

It's very dissapointing to see some of the major or minor flaws are still in the game without the development team ever responding to them.

[Shin Navideño]

In this case "most people" = "losers who cant accept their favorite exploit is no longer possible and start coping, seething, malding, huffing and puffing because more content should not allowed in this game because their entitlement wont permit it"

[Orion]

Honestly... I don't give a ♥♥♥♥, I don't quite get why people were crying about it. I liked the update, it added some neat new stuff.




What I don't like is how the game seemingly can't handle any amount of mods anymore even if they normally would've worked.