Why do versus tryhards complain about clueless casuals when they can play on CedaPug

[Muneer John]

noobs make the game fun, better than waiting 10 min for a tank to rush in before he finally stops throwing rocks to stall the survivors

[Johnny Casey]

That's very convincing, coming from a guy with a recent game ban on record.

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

That's very convincing, coming from a guy with a recent game ban on record.

Actually it was for a forum post about crtisicim of the game Dead By Daylight in which I might have said a joke that was in bad taste I admit, which got me perma banned in game also...those 900 hours all to waste *sigh* but I'm not a cheater or a griefer, I can send you a screenshot of the my reason for ban

[supersand]

The experienced playerbase has been playing on pub versus for a very long time, why should they have to leave just to not get griefed?

If noobs want to be accepted they should put the effort in to learn instead of ruining games, such as not joining a Versus game when they don't even know the map or controls, which will absolutely destroy their team on Survivor and it isn't fair to the other 3 people who just had their match ruined.

If they want to be selfish and put the burden of their inexperience on their teammates then they shouldn't be surprised when their teammates don't want to play with them. Especially within a competitive mode. How is a 1 hour rambo noob going to compete against a 2,000 hour player, the answer is they aren't and they will just stack the teams up for a stomp with the only solution being to kick them to balance the match.

[Elbererth]

Originally posted by supersand:

The experienced playerbase has been playing on pub versus for a very long time, why should they have to leave just to not get griefed?

If noobs want to be accepted they should put the effort in to learn instead of ruining games, such as not joining a Versus game when they don't even know the map or controls, which will absolutely destroy their team on Survivor and it isn't fair to the other 3 people who just had their match ruined.

If they want to be selfish and put the burden of their inexperience on their teammates then they shouldn't be surprised when their teammates don't want to play with them. Especially within a competitive mode. How is a 1 hour rambo noob going to compete against a 2,000 hour player, the answer is they aren't and they will just stack the teams up for a stomp with the only solution being to kick them to balance the match.

By your logic, noobs are not allowed to join versus and suppose to put in effort by learning the game mode where exactly ?

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by supersand:

The experienced playerbase has been playing on pub versus for a very long time, why should they have to leave just to not get griefed?

If noobs want to be accepted they should put the effort in to learn instead of ruining games, such as not joining a Versus game when they don't even know the map or controls, which will absolutely destroy their team on Survivor and it isn't fair to the other 3 people who just had their match ruined.

If they want to be selfish and put the burden of their inexperience on their teammates then they shouldn't be surprised when their teammates don't want to play with them. Especially within a competitive mode. How is a 1 hour rambo noob going to compete against a 2,000 hour player, the answer is they aren't and they will just stack the teams up for a stomp with the only solution being to kick them to balance the match.

I mean its just a few clicks to get into a CedaPug server with an actual competitive and a decently knowledgeable team, though I get some people can't run web browsers while having L4D on and alt tabbing can be a pain sometimes for slow pc's

[Radial]

Originally posted by Elbererth:

Originally posted by supersand:

The experienced playerbase has been playing on pub versus for a very long time, why should they have to leave just to not get griefed?

If noobs want to be accepted they should put the effort in to learn instead of ruining games, such as not joining a Versus game when they don't even know the map or controls, which will absolutely destroy their team on Survivor and it isn't fair to the other 3 people who just had their match ruined.

If they want to be selfish and put the burden of their inexperience on their teammates then they shouldn't be surprised when their teammates don't want to play with them. Especially within a competitive mode. How is a 1 hour rambo noob going to compete against a 2,000 hour player, the answer is they aren't and they will just stack the teams up for a stomp with the only solution being to kick them to balance the match.

By your logic, noobs are not allowed to join versus and suppose to put in effort by learning the game mode where exactly ?

Guides, video tutorials, downloading a singleplayer versus mutation (and a bot improved mod so they can actually finish chapters) in order to learn the mechanics of the infected.

If you wish, I can gather some links to all the best resources and post them here.

The excuse of "well no wonder I'm bad at versus, there are zero tutorials" is not true whatsoever, and whoever says that is typically unwilling to learn how to play anyway.

[supersand]

Originally posted by Elbererth:

By your logic, noobs are not allowed to join versus and suppose to put in effort by learning the game mode where exactly ?

Single Player. Campaign. Versus addon with bots. Guides. Youtube videos. Google. Steam Forums.

There are so many resources the new player can use out there that there is honestly no excuse to make the PvP mode your learning grounds. PvP is not a good place to learn, especially the fast paced PvP of this game.

Noobs are most often kicked for their Survivor play, not as often for their Infected play. Survivors are much more important to play correctly as infected can only prey on their mistakes, if you make lots of mistakes you will take heavy damage and set your own team up to take damage too. Therefore improving their survivor play will greatly help not getting kicked.

Infected play is all about teamwork not going alone, you don't need to learn much more other then that to avoid being kicked. As long as you are spawning with your team and not going alone (until you know the right times to attack alone, that is) then you will rarely be kicked for infected play unless you waste a deathcharge or deathsmoke (which is map knowledge, not infected knowledge. Survivors have to know these spots too otherwise they will die to them.)

Map Knowledge is the most important aspect to Versus. If you don't know the map you pretty much already lost and took your team with you. Not only to avoid getting lost, but also to know where the dangerous areas are, where the next attack will be, where items are, what to expect, etc.

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by Radial:

Originally posted by Elbererth:

By your logic, noobs are not allowed to join versus and suppose to put in effort by learning the game mode where exactly ?

Guides, video tutorials, downloading a singleplayer versus mutation (and a bot improved mod so they can actually finish chapters) in order to learn the mechanics of the infected.

If you wish, I can gather some links to all the best resources and post them here.

honestly I feel the best experience is just simply playing, noobs should 4 man queue or if they can't I think it's best that we don't get toxic and kick them in casual servers and just let them play and learn, if your serious about versus then go on actual competitive servers like CedaPug its very simple to join, games last decent while, its challenging, and usually balanced in my experience

[Radial]

Originally posted by REVENGE OF THE HOBO JOHNSON:

Originally posted by supersand:

The experienced playerbase has been playing on pub versus for a very long time, why should they have to leave just to not get griefed?

If noobs want to be accepted they should put the effort in to learn instead of ruining games, such as not joining a Versus game when they don't even know the map or controls, which will absolutely destroy their team on Survivor and it isn't fair to the other 3 people who just had their match ruined.

If they want to be selfish and put the burden of their inexperience on their teammates then they shouldn't be surprised when their teammates don't want to play with them. Especially within a competitive mode. How is a 1 hour rambo noob going to compete against a 2,000 hour player, the answer is they aren't and they will just stack the teams up for a stomp with the only solution being to kick them to balance the match.

I mean its just a few clicks to get into a CedaPug server with an actual competitive and a decently knowledgeable team, though I get some people can't run web browsers while having L4D on and alt tabbing can be a pain sometimes for slow pc's

What about those who dont live in Europe or America, and as such do not have access to cedapug (as the only servers for that service are only in those regions)

[Radial]

Originally posted by REVENGE OF THE HOBO JOHNSON:

Originally posted by Radial:

Guides, video tutorials, downloading a singleplayer versus mutation (and a bot improved mod so they can actually finish chapters) in order to learn the mechanics of the infected.

If you wish, I can gather some links to all the best resources and post them here.

honestly I feel the best experience is just simply playing, noobs should 4 man queue or if they can't I think it's best that we don't get toxic and kick them in casual servers and let the tryhards go on actual competitive servers like CedaPug

Why do you oppose players learning how to play versus without ruining games for others?

[supersand]

Originally posted by Radial:

Originally posted by REVENGE OF THE HOBO JOHNSON:

honestly I feel the best experience is just simply playing, noobs should 4 man queue or if they can't I think it's best that we don't get toxic and kick them in casual servers and let the tryhards go on actual competitive servers like CedaPug

Why do you oppose players learning how to play versus without ruining games for others?

he has a point that most players will learn best from experience, the problem with learning from experience in versus is that it is only viable if it is an all beginner game.

You won't learn anything in a stomp and you won't learn anything if your team doesn't wanna play with you and kicks you. That is why it is better to get that experience in a more controlled environment such as Single Player or Single Player addon for Versus.

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by Radial:

Originally posted by REVENGE OF THE HOBO JOHNSON:

honestly I feel the best experience is just simply playing, noobs should 4 man queue or if they can't I think it's best that we don't get toxic and kick them in casual servers and let the tryhards go on actual competitive servers like CedaPug

Why do you oppose players learning how to play versus without ruining games for others?

I don't, I agree with you but who's stopping noobs from doing what you said? I'm just saying if you don't want to deal with it CedaPug and other comp servers are great for having a competitive experience without having noobs usually ruin the fun

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by supersand:

Originally posted by Radial:

Why do you oppose players learning how to play versus without ruining games for others?

he has a point that most players will learn best from experience, the problem with learning from experience in versus is that it is only viable if it is an all beginner game.

You won't learn anything in a stomp and you won't learn anything if your team doesn't wanna play with you and kicks you. That is why it is better to get that experience in a more controlled environment such as Single Player or Single Player addon for Versus.

true

[Elbererth]

Originally posted by Radial:

Originally posted by Elbererth:

By your logic, noobs are not allowed to join versus and suppose to put in effort by learning the game mode where exactly ?

Guides, video tutorials, downloading a singleplayer versus mutation (and a bot improved mod so they can actually finish chapters) in order to learn the mechanics of the infected.

If you wish, I can gather some links to all the best resources and post them here.

Maybe check how many hours I have on the game before offering me your garbage guides ?

All these video tutorials and what not are useless, you're not going to learn anything if you're are not actually playing the thing, and you talking about learning versus by playing with bots in singleplayer just make me laugh honestly.

[Muneer John]

Originally posted by Elbererth:

Originally posted by Radial:

Guides, video tutorials, downloading a singleplayer versus mutation (and a bot improved mod so they can actually finish chapters) in order to learn the mechanics of the infected.

If you wish, I can gather some links to all the best resources and post them here.

Maybe check how many hours I have on the game before offering me your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ guides ?

All these video tutorials and what not are useless, you're not going to learn ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you're are not playing the thing, and you talking about learning versus by playing with bots in singleplayer just make me laugh honestly.

guides and tutorials do help! usually when I start a game as a noob I do better than most because guides and vidoes give me an idea what I should do and what to expect