Theres tf2 bots in l4d2 too?!

[Shin Navideño]

A guy without a name entered our vs survival match, started spamming a song and inmediately started changing names at lighting fast speeds.
Afterwards the server crashed and i was in the main menu again...

What happened? Theres bots or just a hacker bastard ruining games for no good reason.

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Two-Eyed Magician eredeti hozzászólása:

dota 2 was a warcraft 3 map, the only 100% valve made games were half life and left 4 dead and their sequels
the rest were just probably gaben going "cool ♥♥♥♥ you did with our engine, wanna work for us?" or in dota's case "yo icefrog, we play your map during lunch break, wanna remake it on source?"

Left 4 Dead wasn't originally a Valve game either. It got picked up by Valve similar to CS or TF.

[Final Badguy]

hard to say, on one hand 95% of rock turtle rock stayed in valve, on another they came up with the concept

[Cursed Hawkins]

Two-Eyed Magician eredeti hozzászólása:

hard to say, on one hand 95% of rock turtle rock stayed in valve, on another they came up with the concept

And then that 95% left to become independent again.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

On Daddy Balls™ eredeti hozzászólása:

You legit missed the joke lol, Valve acts like indie because they don't fix anything.

Almost like how 95% of Steam is just shovelware early access that's been around for half a decade.

I don't think he was joking. Besides that, Valve doesn't really need to fix anything that's not competitive like CS:GO or Dota 2. Valve actually isn't even responsible for CS:GO (I have no idea if that's also true for Dota 2. Their developed and published games for the vast majority are a decade to two decades old with the exception of the VR only Half Life: Alyx. Correct me if I'm wrong.

They're in the business of providing a service and making money. That's why they take a 35% cut in distribution fees on Steam. That's why they're making the SteamDeck, Steam Controller, SteamOS, etc. There's no money in updating L4D2, or TF2 just so the people doing the things they've been doing can find a workaround and keep doing it a week later.

What do you want Valve to do? Start a gofundme page specifically for updating these nearly two decade old games? That's absolutely ludicrous.

I swear, most of the people on this platform don't think beyond the scope of their own little lives or 5 minutes ahead in time.

Wdym? If they still keep the servers up, the game should always be updated and improved upon.

If they aren't going to support and fix the heavily broken exploited experience on dedicated servers, shut down the servers!

Also btw, TF2 uses monetization through cosmetics. L4D2 still requires payment (only one time in it's history were you able to keep it permanently forever for free.... back in 2013.)

It's always better to improve the game for new customers and keep veterans players in. (Use Steam charts to show how successful this has been... and why updates should be kept up) Nobody wants to join a Lewd 4 Dead server with admins that dox you and dedicated servers that are so easy to crash and throttle. There's even a popular new guide on the hub upvoted by Github looters involved with the 'creator' to promote it!

These issues are years long... time for the indie studio to do something.

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Mrs Toothy eredeti hozzászólása:

CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't think he was joking. Besides that, Valve doesn't really need to fix anything that's not competitive like CS:GO or Dota 2. Valve actually isn't even responsible for CS:GO (I have no idea if that's also true for Dota 2. Their developed and published games for the vast majority are a decade to two decades old with the exception of the VR only Half Life: Alyx. Correct me if I'm wrong.

They're in the business of providing a service and making money. That's why they take a 35% cut in distribution fees on Steam. That's why they're making the SteamDeck, Steam Controller, SteamOS, etc. There's no money in updating L4D2, or TF2 just so the people doing the things they've been doing can find a workaround and keep doing it a week later.

What do you want Valve to do? Start a gofundme page specifically for updating these nearly two decade old games? That's absolutely ludicrous.

I swear, most of the people on this platform don't think beyond the scope of their own little lives or 5 minutes ahead in time.

Wdym? If they still keep the servers up, the game should always be updated and improved upon.

If they aren't going to support and fix the heavily broken exploited experience on dedicated servers, shut down the servers!

Also btw, TF2 uses monetization through cosmetics. L4D2 still requires payment (only one time in it's history were you able to keep it permanently forever for free.... back in 2013.)

It's always better to improve the game for new customers and keep veterans players in. (Use Steam charts to show how successful this has been... and why updates should be kept up) Nobody wants to join a Lewd 4 Dead server with admins that dox you and dedicated servers that are so easy to crash and throttle. There's even a popular new guide on the hub upvoted by Github looters involved with the 'creator' to promote it!

These issues are years long... time for the indie studio to do something.

You're missing the point. The game is almost two decades old at this point. There's no money in it. Valve is in the business of making money, not appeasing a dying community for a decade and a half old game. And once again even if they did update the game and stop the issues you refer to, people would just find workarounds within a week. This kind of thing requires constant upkeep, and for a 15ish year old game thats just not worth the time or money.

Please feel free to show or list real world examples of where developers or publishers were updating and upkeeping their game that isnt a mmo, requires a membership, or a new expansion every so often, or is minecraft, every month for decades after the game had been released. It doesnt happen often, if at all. And the times it does/has, the companies have gone bankrupt.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

You're missing the point. The game is almost two decades old at this point. There's no money in it. Valve is in the business of making money, not appeasing a dying community for a decade and a half old game. And once again even if they did update the game and stop the issues you refer to, people would just find workarounds within a week. This kind of thing requires constant upkeep, and for a 15ish year old game thats just not worth the time or money.

Again... wdym? You literally have pay to play this game. It's very obvious that it's updates has lead to more players. 'Appeasing a dying community'[steamcharts.com]. The same game that's in Steam's top 100 played games.

Also, 'almost two decades old'. 12 years is not 'almost' 20. I don't appreciate this lack of detail.

CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

Please feel free to show or list real world examples of where developers or publishers were updating and upkeeping their game that isnt a mmo, requires a membership, or a new expansion every so often, or is minecraft, every month for decades after the game had been released. It doesnt happen often, if at all. And the times it does/has, the companies have gone bankrupt.

Then they'd make another game. If you ask me, given how easy it is to break the Source engine, they should make a new one. Either one of two things; They support this game or make a new one! Or they just shut it down and prove they're just completely incapable and let the (good side) of the community support it through plugins.

Hell for half a decade they were too cheap to run the dedicated servers during the
dreaded Pinion era.

[Final Badguy]

Cursed Hawkins eredeti hozzászólása:

Two-Eyed Magician eredeti hozzászólása:

hard to say, on one hand 95% of rock turtle rock stayed in valve, on another they came up with the concept

And then that 95% left to become independent again.

they stayed in valve lol

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Mrs Toothy eredeti hozzászólása:

Again... wdym? You literally have pay to play this game. It's very obvious that it's updates has lead to more players. 'Appeasing a dying community'[steamcharts.com]. The same game that's in Steam's top 100 played games.

Also, 'almost two decades old'. 12 years is not 'almost' 20. I don't appreciate this lack of detail.

Yes, you have to pay to play the game. This is a mute point, as most of anyone who really wants to play it have already paid for it and have had it for years or even a decade ago. The rest have either gotten it from a bundle, or a CD key site. It's not bringing in anywhere near enough to justify (once again) updating and maintaining the game against these "lewd 4 dead bots" or what have you, every other week.
"top 100 played games" is a lot of games, firstly. It's 42nd from the bottom, not even in the top 50, and in addendum to that, context matters. 14,900 players a day, in the top 50 played on steam, yes. But 14,000 is NOTHING compared to the top 10. Toward the bottom end of that, GTA V is 10th in the top 100 at 75,000 players per day. 14,900 is barely even one FIFTH of that. To REALLY put this in perspective, Elden Ring just released and is at 600,000 players, compared to 15,000. that's a fraction of 1/40th. I'm not going to say anymore about that, if you aren't a complete moron (which I don't believe you to be) then you can see how that's a straw man argument and ultimately doesn't say anything about how big or small L4D2's concurrent player base/community is.

Onto your second point there, yeah sure I've been overestimating how long L4D2 has been out. Whatever, it's really semantics and it doesn't change anything about my points. You say you don't appreciate that lack of detail, but you go on to do more or less the same thing with the "Steam's top 100 played games".

Mrs Toothy eredeti hozzászólása:

Then they'd make another game. If you ask me, given how easy it is to break the Source engine, they should make a new one. Either one of two things; They support this game or make a new one! Or they just shut it down and prove they're just completely incapable and let the (good side) of the community support it through plugins.

Hell for half a decade they were too cheap to run the dedicated servers during the
dreaded Pinion era.

They are making several other games. They have and are currently in the process of making Source 2. Once again, it seems like most of the people on this platform can't think bigger than their tiny lives or 5 minutes ahead in time and you've added to this perception. Not everything is so black and white. Your point of view points towards you being a young adult with no work ethic or experience in the real world.

Valve is a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. They have a lot of things to focus on, including launch the Steam Deck, working on any of the current hundreds of projects they currently have going on, etc. A game with only 15,000 players a day on AVERAGE isn't anywhere near their list of priorities, nor would it be on yours or mine.

I love this game. I want the best for it, but I also love Valve, I know how companies and businesses work, and maintaining this game at this point with as little as the player base/community is now, just isn't worth the time, effort, or money. It's going to be a losing battle and is pointless. I honestly don't understand how you or anyone else can't see that.

[EmzElf]

Just block the account even if they change their name you're still blocking the account and n L4D 2 it stops them joining a game you're in and you probs won't see a game they may have started either, it's gotten pretty bad over the last 3 months so i'm starting to just block, right click the username, open a chat, then right click their pic and go to their profile then block communications so you'll never see them again. Then just stick to the official servers as much as you can so no modding can happen although i have still seen some modding on official servers but i just leave them if i do.

[Shin Navideño]

EmzElf eredeti hozzászólása:

Just block the account even if they change their name you're still blocking the account and n L4D 2 it stops them joining a game you're in and you probs won't see a game they may have started either, it's gotten pretty bad over the last 3 months so i'm starting to just block, right click the username, open a chat, then right click their pic and go to their profile then block communications so you'll never see them again. Then just stick to the official servers as much as you can so no modding can happen although i have still seen some modding on official servers but i just leave them if i do.

Thats the funny thing, for some reason the friends list was deactivated after the server crash and therefore cannot find the player list in the recent games section. Kinda scary if you ask me.

[EmzElf]

Shin Navideño eredeti hozzászólása:

EmzElf eredeti hozzászólása:

Just block the account even if they change their name you're still blocking the account and n L4D 2 it stops them joining a game you're in and you probs won't see a game they may have started either, it's gotten pretty bad over the last 3 months so i'm starting to just block, right click the username, open a chat, then right click their pic and go to their profile then block communications so you'll never see them again. Then just stick to the official servers as much as you can so no modding can happen although i have still seen some modding on official servers but i just leave them if i do.

Thats the funny thing, for some reason the friends list was deactivated after the server crash and therefore cannot find the player list in the recent games section. Kinda scary if you ask me.

I can see it when i press Tab but i'm finding i can't find some of these accounts when i search them, the only way is to quickly visit the profile from the lobby and get at least one of them and there's a little arrow > next to their names to get to some options, i can see the list when i press TAB on my keyboard but i can't click anything but they put letters with characters in their name which seems to make it come up with nothing when you search for them by going to community. If you go to the settings from the friends window you can set it to open chats as new windows too so maybe you can open a chat with everyone quickly from the lobby then if any cause trouble block the ones that do.

There's a lot of weirdness going on though for sure, yet again i was just in a game and the lot of them were messing about while they pretend to argue with each other but probably know each other and apparently you aren't supposed to be able to use mods in official servers unless it's your own and you set it up that way but i'm still seeing some games where they're full on using mods or using them to make tanks and the other creatures appear more often than they would do, tonight with everyone on L4D 2 is chaos lol.

Edit: I made a game official dedication only and almost every person that joins then leaves cos they can't mod it lol but then several of them joined and they clearly threw me into an unofficial and they clearly want to put people off playing cos everyone's left, they're clearly hacking the game and it needs to be patched up asap, there's a vulnerability that allows them to change whatever they want including the servers you join, i managed to block a few more of them except 1, they send you to a weird Chinese server.

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Shin Navideño eredeti hozzászólása:

A guy without a name entered our vs survival match, started spamming a song and inmediately started changing names at lighting fast speeds.
Afterwards the server crashed and i was in the main menu again...

What happened? Theres bots or just a hacker bastard ruining games for no good reason.

Some cheater joined my game once that I hosted and used a spray that was a black spray and once it was sprayed, my game crashed. It could be something like that. My game crashed instead of the server prolly cuz I was the host.

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CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

Mrs Toothy eredeti hozzászólása:

Wdym? If they still keep the servers up, the game should always be updated and improved upon.

If they aren't going to support and fix the heavily broken exploited experience on dedicated servers, shut down the servers!

Also btw, TF2 uses monetization through cosmetics. L4D2 still requires payment (only one time in it's history were you able to keep it permanently forever for free.... back in 2013.)

It's always better to improve the game for new customers and keep veterans players in. (Use Steam charts to show how successful this has been... and why updates should be kept up) Nobody wants to join a Lewd 4 Dead server with admins that dox you and dedicated servers that are so easy to crash and throttle. There's even a popular new guide on the hub upvoted by Github looters involved with the 'creator' to promote it!

These issues are years long... time for the indie studio to do something.

You're missing the point. The game is almost two decades old at this point. There's no money in it. Valve is in the business of making money, not appeasing a dying community for a decade and a half old game. And once again even if they did update the game and stop the issues you refer to, people would just find workarounds within a week. This kind of thing requires constant upkeep, and for a 15ish year old game thats just not worth the time or money.

Please feel free to show or list real world examples of where developers or publishers were updating and upkeeping their game that isnt a mmo, requires a membership, or a new expansion every so often, or is minecraft, every month for decades after the game had been released. It doesnt happen often, if at all. And the times it does/has, the companies have gone bankrupt.

Have you forgotten about the most recent update l4d2 got?

[Lunch-b0x]

󠀡 eredeti hozzászólása:

CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

You're missing the point. The game is almost two decades old at this point. There's no money in it. Valve is in the business of making money, not appeasing a dying community for a decade and a half old game. And once again even if they did update the game and stop the issues you refer to, people would just find workarounds within a week. This kind of thing requires constant upkeep, and for a 15ish year old game thats just not worth the time or money.

Please feel free to show or list real world examples of where developers or publishers were updating and upkeeping their game that isnt a mmo, requires a membership, or a new expansion every so often, or is minecraft, every month for decades after the game had been released. It doesnt happen often, if at all. And the times it does/has, the companies have gone bankrupt.

Have you forgotten about the most recent update l4d2 got?

Which one? You mean the ones that have and can be applied to most source engine games? They haven't upkept anything specific about this game or changed much. It's all petty stuff from what I just saw looking at the last 6-8 months worth of "updates"

They update Half-Life 2 the same way, it's more of a source engine update and fine tuning of settings.


As far as I know, Turtle Rock...the actual original developers have nothing to do with this and won't as they're working on and dealing with their newest "successor" Back 4 Blood. Which I'm surprised Valve even let them have it up on Steam.

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CLAYT0N eredeti hozzászólása:

󠀡 eredeti hozzászólása:

Have you forgotten about the most recent update l4d2 got?

Which one? You mean the ones that have and can be applied to most source engine games? They haven't upkept anything specific about this game or changed much. It's all petty stuff from what I just saw looking at the last 6-8 months worth of "updates"

They update Half-Life 2 the same way, it's more of a source engine update and fine tuning of settings.


As far as I know, Turtle Rock...the actual original developers have nothing to do with this and won't as they're working on and dealing with their newest "successor" Back 4 Blood. Which I'm surprised Valve even let them have it up on Steam.

Not the steam deck UI updates, I'm refering to the one that added the newest campagin.