Time for Ranked Versus Mode

[Merrow]

Since there is a demand by community for a real versus mode without leavers, there can be a ranked versus mode where you lose points and gain points depending on match outcome and make it have a leaver penalty (like suspension system in Dota 2) and maybe it's just right about time since there is a new game came out that reminds people of Left 4 Dead 2 would you guys love it and play it? (There could be solo/duo queue and team queue)

Edit: This way people can also get matched with similar skill leveled people and therefore enjoy this masterpiece even more.

[༄ˡᵛ᭄✿ᴋᴀᴡᴀɪɪ]

you mean T1 servers?

[Merrow]

Publicado originalmente por ♡ Princess Cadance ♡:

you mean T1 servers?

You mean servers that include tier 1 weapons and only pills? Not necessarily, I just want either vanilla game or the game edited for competitive (that I don't care tbh) but is a competitive mode, just like how CS:GO has a casual mode and a competitive mode you know, with leaver penalty and systems implemented to ensure a competitive match environment or punish the bad behaviour. So people who don't want leavers and who wants to play for the win can queue up for this mode and enjoy coordinated gameplay without leavers. And also try to climb up the ranks in meantime.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Do I even NEED to point out how flawed such a system is? "Oh people are matched with people of equal skill levels there totally won't be anyone playing on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ smurf accounts for the purpose of stomping"

[༄ˡᵛ᭄✿ᴋᴀᴡᴀɪɪ]

Couple of things:
-vanilla versus is extremely unbalanced in favor of Survivors;
-L4D2 as a game is way more jank than CS:GO;
-moderating toxicity in online gaming is nearly impossible;
-there is no incentive for l4d2 to have a ranked vs mode, because most of the players are either born with tunnelvision and have no situational awareness or have little or no idea of what they are playing, much like TF2.
-CS:GO has a system of levels and people can make profits off cases & skıns merely for playing. L4D2 does not;
-People leaving for any reason isn't going to stop them in the future. Bans of any kind only work if they are permanent.

Publicado originalmente por Cursed Hawkins:

Do I even NEED to point out how flawed such a system is? "Oh people are matched with people of equal skill levels there totally won't be anyone playing on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ smurf accounts for the purpose of stomping"

Also this.

[Lunatix]

Being forced to play against cheaters because VAC didn't receive an update for this game since what 5 years maybe more who know? Just for this reason i will not play it. And they will never install on their server custom anti cheat that do a better job.

[ReBootXD]

As if regular versus isn’t toxic enough already

[The Mighty Mighty BossTofu]

No need. The result would be tons of cheating dumbos. In every single game ranked means increase of cheater. Even in such an old (very old) game.
I could tell you long year gamers here in l4d2 with long time account and thousands of hours who cheat 100% even nowadays and in vanilla games. For example one of these dudes nick begins with "h" and ends with "r"... :-) but that´s enough name and shame.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Publicado originalmente por Merrow:

Edit: This way people can also get matched with similar skill leveled people and therefore enjoy this masterpiece even more.

Question is, how would this work with the community? You now suddenly have friends being split apart or just downright not allowed in the game. If you add this, you pretty much split the playerbase in two.

... Not that finding two relatively balanced teams was easy to begin with. It's too old, the servers are stuck at an abysmal 30 tick, the weapons/health items are not balanced, ect.

There actually was a mechanic like this though, and it's still in the game; 'Team Versus'. You would make a team with your friends and wait for the game to find another team willing to face yours. This never worked however, because nobody uses the system anymore. In-fact it didn't even make it past a year before it was never used again.

I'd say I respectfully agree with a ranked system; If only it was on a better engine and networking. A Left 4 Dead 2 episode 3.

[geordiebroon58]

Publicado originalmente por Sharpie The Draggie:

Publicado originalmente por Merrow:

Edit: This way people can also get matched with similar skill leveled people and therefore enjoy this masterpiece even more.

Question is, how would this work with the community? You now suddenly have friends being split apart or just downright not allowed in the game. If you add this, you pretty much split the playerbase in two.

... Not that finding two relatively balanced teams was easy to begin with. It's too old, the servers are stuck at an abysmal 30 tick, the weapons/health items are not balanced, ect.

There actually was a mechanic like this though, and it's still in the game; 'Team Versus'. You would make a team with your friends and wait for the game to find another team willing to face yours. This never worked however, because nobody uses the system anymore. In-fact it didn't even make it past a year before it was never used again.

I'd say I respectfully agree with a ranked system; If only it was on a better engine and networking. A Left 4 Dead 2 episode 3.

my issue is how would you even make it consistent as much as id like to avoid haveing 1 team filled with freinds with good experience and the other side being on 0 hours getting destroyed because there clueless

and in the end dont think most people would want this
with a game that has an inconsistent rng system and already has bad balence between infected and survivors

how would you really determin a players skill when most things are random the only skill things would be is being a bit more consistent with your shots and dead stopping

if you could somehow magicly make this work accuratly and efficently then sure

but even at that l4d2 isnt a competitive game and dosnt really have a competitive players ether outside of speedrunners (if that even counts) and T1 servers (being an attempt to balence out versus more)

and in the end most people might not even accept it

[Merrow]

Publicado originalmente por Sharpie The Draggie:

Publicado originalmente por Merrow:

Edit: This way people can also get matched with similar skill leveled people and therefore enjoy this masterpiece even more.

Question is, how would this work with the community? You now suddenly have friends being split apart or just downright not allowed in the game. If you add this, you pretty much split the playerbase in two.

... Not that finding two relatively balanced teams was easy to begin with. It's too old, the servers are stuck at an abysmal 30 tick, the weapons/health items are not balanced, ect.

There actually was a mechanic like this though, and it's still in the game; 'Team Versus'. You would make a team with your friends and wait for the game to find another team willing to face yours. This never worked however, because nobody uses the system anymore. In-fact it didn't even make it past a year before it was never used again.

I'd say I respectfully agree with a ranked system; If only it was on a better engine and networking. A Left 4 Dead 2 episode 3.

If there is a new patch includes this system, just like the last stand update it will be a big deal. It will be shared on popular websites as we all know, lots of people will join the community. So player base will be split into big two chunks and It should be split that's the whole idea, if you have followed b4b community discussion in their discord or in steam, the main point against campaign versus was that half of the lobby just ragequits after first map, or %25 of lobby, which is like 2-3 people, It is a domino effect anyways, one leaves, the other one thinks its a 4v3 now, he leaves too, have no patience to wait etc. So these guys who leave, they don't belong in the versus mode in the first place, not with the people who wants to win the match. Just like the people who play quick match in overwatch and who play competitive matches, in quick play you can drop in and out just like in left 4 dead 2 versus, and in competitive you cannot just drop in and out, you will get punished if you leave the game. So to keep the players with different mindset of the game separate is very healthy for the game, on one side there is a guy who just wants to push buttons and will leave the game in 5 minutes regardless of how match goes, on other hand there is a guy who wants to win the game since there is a scoring system in the game, he wants to make maximum distance as survivors and gain maximum points, but he see that two people left his team halfway where there is a witch on the road and bots fail to adapt to the situation and die, not a pleasent experience for the guy who wants to play normally, with coordination. Just like when you make a 8 man friend lobby to play the game as it meant to be.
Team versus was always doomed to fail, because it requires 4 people queueing up together, that can be a situation but not easy to achieve and will increase the matchmaking time greatly, you need to have a solo queue, just think of dota 2 when you think of left 4 dead 2. Just apply all the same rules, if you leave too much or something (I don't know the exact punishment) but the Idea is the game puts you in leaver queue and you have to play with leavers since you are a leaver yourself. And all the other issues you mention can be fixed by Valve, they know what they are doing, but they just need to do it, They added ranked to team fortress 2 after a long time, how it turned out? The game is well alive and doing good, I mean they can do the upgrade necessary.

About other comments for the other people:
Smurfing: can be solved, exists in every competitive environment, with enough reports moderators can take a look at the player but the better thing about smurfing here since this is a team game you cant just smurf it all the way alone, so It will not be so easy to smurf when your success is dependent on 2 or 3 other people.

VAC: Can be updated obviously. And cheating is a problem in COD Warzone too. So pls. there are solutions for this...

Toxicity: Exists in most games like in league of legends, overwatch etc. Does that stop them from existing? No they are making tons of money. Just enough reports on one person to get them banned should sufficy. It's easy to setup numbers, or to raise a red flag after lots of reports... These issues are fixed years ago as I said and hence why these games exist. CS GO, lol, overwatch team fortress 2.

Leavers: A leaver queue fixes the leavers. Or timeout the repeated offense, first leave 10 minutes, then 30 minutes then 1 and 7 days etc. I mean they can work this out.

Ultimately, As Sharpie The Draggie said, If they work on it and upgrade some stuff, they can put a good ranked mode with the qualifications required where people can solo queue and enjoy a ranked L4D2 Versus environment where leavers do not exist. Please stop saying it such that it is completly impossible to create a L4D2 ranked mode. They added Ranked mode to team fortress 2 after a long period of time then would it be impossible for team fortress 2 too? that game is way older than left 4 dead 2. Maybe it is time for Left 4 Dead 2. They can do it if they want to. And I know many people would enjoy it.

I understand your point of view but I think you can't imagine what valve can do when they want to. But will they want to? Hopefully maybe they will see this thread and give it a go. Since Back 4 Blood is not what people expected after all those years.

[Flashyface]

l4d2 cheaters are a actual problem, infact l4d2 has some of the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken cheats, you can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ teleported oob as a jockey or see a survivor run at the speed of light. if comp versus happens that needs to be fixed first