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LastDefender Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:11am
Realism mode with bots
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?
Last edited by LastDefender; Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:14am
Originally posted by Dog_Theft:
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?

Play with this mod, it's make bots smarter, they can throw granada, molly and bottle of puke....etc
best AI mod i've ever seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279814689&searchtext=
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AustrAlien2010 Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:26am 
That's preference. I often kick bots through the console to make it harder. One-man army, or just play with one bot, or a whole bunch. Modify things.
Last edited by AustrAlien2010; Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:38am
Flariz Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:29am 
Yeah on Expert by itself is not all that hard to complete a campaing with 3 bots, but on Realism I find it’s a different story.

It is possible, but A LOT harder, because no closets...

You can try setting the Witch on fire (Cr0wning does not work on Realism), but otherwise you may just have to sacrifice a bot. Maybe save a Defibrillator if you know this is coming.

But yeah, the higher the difficulty you go on, the stronger you will have to be if playing with bots... that is just the nature of difficulty curve on a multiplayer game.
LastDefender Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:44am 
Originally posted by Flariz:
Yeah on Expert by itself is not all that hard to complete a campaing with 3 bots, but on Realism I find it’s a different story.

It is possible, but A LOT harder, because no closets...

You can try setting the Witch on fire (Cr0wning does not work on Realism), but otherwise you may just have to sacrifice a bot. Maybe save a Defibrillator if you know this is coming.

But yeah, the higher the difficulty you go on, the stronger you will have to be if playing with bots... that is just the nature of difficulty curve on a multiplayer game.

So for example, if I play Realism-Easy it will still be harder than Expert (for normal campaign)?
The only difference is that the witch does not insta-kill.
Flariz Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:46am 
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Originally posted by Flariz:
Yeah on Expert by itself is not all that hard to complete a campaing with 3 bots, but on Realism I find it’s a different story.

It is possible, but A LOT harder, because no closets...

You can try setting the Witch on fire (Cr0wning does not work on Realism), but otherwise you may just have to sacrifice a bot. Maybe save a Defibrillator if you know this is coming.

But yeah, the higher the difficulty you go on, the stronger you will have to be if playing with bots... that is just the nature of difficulty curve on a multiplayer game.

So for example, if I play Realism-Easy it will still be harder than Expert (for normal campaign)?
The only difference is that the witch does not insta-kill.


I don’t know, I am mostly comparing Expert vs Expert Realism, I never tried Realism on lower difficulties. I imagine Advanced Realism is still fairly difficult, but probably not as much as Expert vanilla (Maybe just close to it idk)
дeл Nov 12, 2020 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Originally posted by Flariz:
Yeah on Expert by itself is not all that hard to complete a campaing with 3 bots, but on Realism I find it’s a different story.

It is possible, but A LOT harder, because no closets...

You can try setting the Witch on fire (Cr0wning does not work on Realism), but otherwise you may just have to sacrifice a bot. Maybe save a Defibrillator if you know this is coming.

But yeah, the higher the difficulty you go on, the stronger you will have to be if playing with bots... that is just the nature of difficulty curve on a multiplayer game.

So for example, if I play Realism-Easy it will still be harder than Expert (for normal campaign)?
The only difference is that the witch does not insta-kill.
You sure gonna drop you rifles (except for ak47 i guess) and smgs for Realism mode,thats what's up
Raiva Nov 12, 2020 @ 7:41am 
Bots are too dumb for anything above Normal difficulty. Something they could've tried to work on with the newest update, honestly.
=CrimsoN= Nov 12, 2020 @ 8:23am 
Use the Improved Bots mod. If you die, then the map doesn’t end as the bots will make their way to the safe room the best they can.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=121071656

This is especially useful for the maps where the witch spawns just inches from the safe room with no way to avoid her. If you die, the bots can easily make it to the safe room and close the door instead of having the game end.
LastDefender Nov 12, 2020 @ 9:00am 
Originally posted by Loli Feet Sniffer:
Bots are too dumb for anything above Normal difficulty. Something they could've tried to work on with the newest update, honestly.

Tried Realism-Easy and it's too easy. Enjoyable, though.
Probably the best settings is Realism-Normal (but the witch can still insta-kill).
Flariz Nov 12, 2020 @ 9:13am 
Originally posted by Loli Feet Sniffer:
Bots are too dumb for anything above Normal difficulty. Something they could've tried to work on with the newest update, honestly.


They do fine on Expert Vanilla but you have to play around their strength and should expect to do the majory of the work.
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Dog_Theft Nov 12, 2020 @ 9:26am 
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?

Play with this mod, it's make bots smarter, they can throw granada, molly and bottle of puke....etc
best AI mod i've ever seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279814689&searchtext=
Last edited by Dog_Theft; Nov 12, 2020 @ 9:27am
=CrimsoN= Nov 12, 2020 @ 9:32am 
Originally posted by Neon.Condom. Only 6.9 $:
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?

Play with this mod, it's make bots smarter, they can throw granada, molly and bottle of puke....etc
best AI mod i've ever seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/id=2279814689&searchtext=

That one works too. In fact, that one is slightly more upgraded. It gives bots the ability to use grenades when appropriate.
LEFT4GABEN Nov 12, 2020 @ 12:13pm 
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?

I Play Expert Realism Singleplayer all the time on Custom Maps. You just have to learn to work around the limintations of bots using strategy, killing yourself if a bot dies or your team gets incapped early to save yourself time, and keep your aim true...

I believe I beat every campaign I played Expert Realism with bots EXCEPT Last Stand, and Military Industrial Complex...
LastDefender Nov 12, 2020 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Neon.Condom. Only 6.9 $:
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Hi guys, just a little question: I guess Realism mode is meant to be played in multiplayer?
Because I'm playing offline (Realism-Advanced) and it's usually game over after few maps.

Generally I encounter a witch close to some stairs or doors in the "Streets" level, a bot annoys her and it is killed instantly. After that, it's a miracle if I reach the mall.

What are the best settings to play with bots in your opinion?

Play with this mod, it's make bots smarter, they can throw granada, molly and bottle of puke....etc
best AI mod i've ever seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279814689&searchtext=

Thanks a lot for this. You're right, this mod makes bots actually better in every way.
Played a chapter few minutes ago on Realism-Advanced and it was incredibly fun.
With this bots can use the defibrillator.
FireWolfBoy Nov 12, 2020 @ 4:35pm 
Just stun-lock the Witch and melee her to death. It’s not that hard and it already saves at least one of your bot teammates from dying. :steambored:
Dog_Theft Nov 12, 2020 @ 5:49pm 
Originally posted by LastDefender:
Originally posted by Neon.Condom. Only 6.9 $:

Play with this mod, it's make bots smarter, they can throw granada, molly and bottle of puke....etc
best AI mod i've ever seen.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279814689&searchtext=

Thanks a lot for this. You're right, this mod makes bots actually better in every way.
Played a chapter few minutes ago on Realism-Advanced and it was incredibly fun.
With this bots can use the defibrillator.
i'm glad you like it, sometime they still a little bit dumb but smarter than the vanilla Bots :))
Last edited by Dog_Theft; Nov 12, 2020 @ 5:50pm
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