Helm Deep Reborn

[Red™]

Been hearing about it. What’s going on?

[Captain Pentium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CestDbQ1eOs
Here's a video that does a good job of explaining it.

TL;DR?

[Nikolai]

Mod is malware and the map is stolen.

[Razör]

Basically, and i'll try to keep it nice and sweet(no promises)..and i hope i get most of the details right as i remember being a part of a large topic discussion on it.

The helms deep author implemented UI changes to the main menu without mentioning any of it in the description of the mod page. The changes can be seen in the mod notes, however, what person who browses the workshop reads the notes anyway? The dev is the type of guy who would call you retarded for something like that. The changes were made because the dev is salty Valve denied his UI ideas to be officially implemented in the game. Since these changes aren't advertised on the mod page, quite a few users began reporting the mod as "malicious" because it technically alters the game without the players knowledge. Which i agree, IT IS malicious. Not in harmful way, but misleading. I remember comparing this to some hipster working at Burger King that decided that they didn't like the way food was made so they made the choice to ♥♥♥♥ around with the food on their own, making changes to the recipe's....and who gets burned in that? The customer.

The dev never bothered to reach out or even discuss the issue, and if i recall he threatened a lawsuit or some ♥♥♥♥ against the guy who released a patch that fixes the UI changes. I forgot the name of the fella who put out the fix, but if he's reading this, feel free to correct me if im wrong. I think there was also tons of DMCA's thrown at him because the Helms Deep author had sheep friends to do his dirty work

Then came the biggest issue of all: the banlist.cfg file. This file was a compilation of usernames/steam id's or whatever that basically denied those users access to the map. YES. The mod actually won't work with some users because he implemented a ban list. If you were on that ♥♥♥♥ list, you can't play it. But for what you ask? Oh just the people who spoke out against him, disagreed with him, ya know....salty baby stuff? This is against Valve's workshops TOS. He is not allowed to do this, yet did it anyway. There was alot of hype for the banlist to be publicly available. Because people wanted to see who was and wasn't banned. Essentially we all felt like we did due to that legendary thread titled "the suppression of helms deep"

In the end...moderators censored and locked it, for the 2nd or 3rd time... because you aren't allowed to criticize or discuss a mod that technically breaks the TOS and Valve doesn't get off their asses to do something about it. Also, the assets are stolen and takes "donations for his hard work" lmao


if anything is incorrect, or there's more, please feel free to mention it. This ♥♥♥♥ was hot 1 month ago.. i have a goldfish brain... pls help

[Captain Pentium]

Originally posted by ุ:

The changes can be seen in the mod notes, however, what person who browses the workshop reads the notes anyway?

*cough*

[Razör]

Originally posted by That Scribe:

Originally posted by ุ:

The changes can be seen in the mod notes, however, what person who browses the workshop reads the notes anyway?

*cough*

Okay okay...some do. SOME. But let's be real here, most people are casual about the workshop. And to be fair, I would assume or guess that 85%+ of authors will make their changes be known on the description of the mod... not hiding them in dozens and dozens of patch notes. Samurai is scummy...we all know it.

[Red™]

I’m honestly testing out a theory to see if somebody will actually attempt to delete the thread. But keep it up lads

[Razör]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/1643167006287069190/

Here y'all go

[Red™]

Originally posted by ุ:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/1643167006287069190/

Here y'all go

200iq move

[Razör]

Originally posted by Jölly:

Originally posted by ุ:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/1643167006287069190/

Here y'all go

200iq move

The way to keep this thread alive and going is keep it clean, keep it on topic, and don't spam bumps. But i do think Valve need step in... the whole thing is BS

[Siluva]

Originally posted by ุ:

There was alot of hype for the banlist to be publicly available. Because people wanted to see who was and wasn't banned.

Was curious and looked a bit.
There is 623 banned users so far.

It's something.

Btw, isn't the map originally made by Team Chivalry and Serious Samurai only ported it to L4D without giving proper credits, or something like that ? Pretty ironic when you think about it.

[eelikay]

It's a damn shame because it's a great map! But I've already reported the devs profile. Hope he burns for this.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by Miguel.Gonzales2004:

Mod is malware and the map is stolen.

when was it malware?!?

[Captain Pentium]

Originally posted by Siluva:

Originally posted by ุ:

There was alot of hype for the banlist to be publicly available. Because people wanted to see who was and wasn't banned.

Was curious and looked a bit.
There is 623 banned users so far.

It's something.

Btw, isn't the map originally made by Team Chivalry and Serious Samurai only ported it to L4D without giving proper credits, or something like that ? Pretty ironic when you think about it.

Yeah but it didn't seem like it bothered Team Chivalry that much, apparently.

[Siluva]

Originally posted by That Scribe:

Yeah but it didn't seem like it bothered Team Chivalry that much, apparently.

They been kinda bothered but didn't taken the map down because people enjoyed it.

Still, that's kinda weird that Serious Samurai claim DMCA on a map he doesn't even own and Valve allows it.

Oh well...