Helms Deep was not created by Serious Samurai and they stole it.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Thread by Jaiz: https://www.reddit.com/r/l4d2/comments/cy5kyh/serious_samurai_the_real_helms_deep_thief/

Basically a different team created Helms Deep and Serious Samurai is currently claiming that he created the mod. On top of the other shenanigans he's been doing with helms deep:

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/l4d2/comments/cm57kx/the_latest_update_to_helms_deep_reborn_has/

2. https://www.reddit.com/r/l4d2/comments/c24tot/helms_deep_malicious_mod/

Valve has continued to ignore the evidence that has been piling on for the past three months. This is the smoking gun. Serious Samurai is claiming that he created the map, which is entirely false.

[SNP]

Until financial loss is threatened to Valve, they have absolutely zero reason to care.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Dr. Snap, The Wizard:

Until financial loss is threatened to Valve, they have absolutely zero reason to care.

The only thing that I know that has worked in the past has been to report my findings to /r/Steam, which employees from Valve regularly check. I've tried to post to /r/Steam regarding what Serious has been doing, but the moderators there are extremely strict as to what you can post there, which in turn helps Serious Samurai get away with this.

I've crossposted Jaiz's Reddit thread there regardless in the hopes of getting Valve's attention, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was removed.

I was going to stop chasing Valve on getting this situation resolved, but actively claiming a map which he did not create is one of the scummiest things you can do on this platform. The original creators should have a right to have their name down if they so request it, and out of courtesy regardless.

[CallMeLeonidas]

This is sickening.

[SNP]

Originally posted by DeathShot:

Originally posted by Dr. Snap, The Wizard:

Until financial loss is threatened to Valve, they have absolutely zero reason to care.

The only thing that I know that has worked in the past has been to report my findings to /r/Steam, which employees from Valve regularly check. I've tried to post to /r/Steam regarding what Serious has been doing, but the moderators there are extremely strict as to what you can post there, which in turn helps Serious Samurai get away with this.

I've crossposted Jaiz's Reddit thread there regardless in the hopes of getting Valve's attention, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was removed.

I was going to stop chasing Valve on getting this situation resolved, but actively claiming a map which he did not create is one of the scummiest things you can do on this platform. The original creators should have a right to have their name down if they so request it, and out of courtesy regardless.

If contacting Steam Support or a Steam Moderator directly hasn't sufficed, especially if this has been going on for 3 months, then I think we can make the logical conclusion that they don't care.

[Shakes]

Unless the original team files a DMCA claim I doubt much will come of this. Valve is probably aware of the drama surrounding the map (and the L4D2 community in general) but I wouldn't be surprised if they just ignored anything except a substantiated DMCA claim, if only to avoid having to deal with people being petty for the millionth time.

[Johnny Casey]

I'm surprised how this can be getting worse.

[Xanaguy]

Is anyone keeping track of how long it will be before this thread gets locked or deleted?

[Tsuey]

Originally posted by Xanaguy:

Is anyone keeping track of how long it will be before this thread gets locked or deleted?

Miles ahead of you and already archiving:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/shibey/allcomments

Tsuey 5 minutes ago
Helms Deep was not created by Serious Samurai and they stole it. https://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/1638669204745208496/

New controversy, with a new thread, and a new thing for a paid Valve moderator to delete!

Hello Valve:

3. Name & shame rules were designed to protect individuals undergoing indefensible scrutiny. Name & shame rules have been applied to Helm's Deep threads in an stretched manner because while technically articulated against an individual they're instead against an idea.

4. That "idea" is: "If I must be held accountable for my actions, then everyone must be".

Nope, nothing about impersonal, intangible concepts like accountability and integrity here -- just plain old name & shame. /sarcasm

[🜂∴🜏 Cassie]

I’ve been keeping an ear to the ground about this. Glad I never subscribed to that mod, the UI changes alone would’ve really ticked me off.

And yeah, I think most of us have had someone else take credit for something we did, at one point. It sucks, and there ought to be justice.

Keep spreading the word, guys. The truth must be known.

[Tsuey]

I should note that I've read all the threads on this subject and couldn't possibly be more involved[18c862e5-60f6-40b9-96ab-4bccc0db834a.htmlpasta.com].

But I do want to reflect on what ProdigySim said here:

[–]ProdigySim 4 points 27 days ago
I don't know anything and I'd rather see a fair amount of proof before I decide to attack someone's reputation.

How can I know anything without evidence? OP has shown that a VPK has some bad files and also that he's armed rhetoric and hyperbole.

Rhetoric and hyperbole are honestly very accurate words to describe a lot of the outcry: Helm's Deep never had "malicious code"... it has done some really unnecessary and intrusive things, but it's nothing like real malware, so at worst it's a PUP[en.wikipedia.org].

If in need of an example of something that actually would be malicious the rogue and banned SourceMod redistribution for L4D1 called ZenMod would be a better example, because it has a lot more exploit potential than a VPK file.[pastebin.com]

But with the recent news, there's no rhetoric or hyperbole here -- SeriouS_Samurai should be forced to re-acknowledge Team Chivalry as the original creators of the work or else it should be removed from the Workshop.

[Bob the Boomer]

Lame, But i think there are other names attached to the map that have a great influence in this games discussion area if you look at its contributors?

[Tsuey]

Originally posted by Frothing Mate!:

Lame, But i think there are other names attached to the map that have a great influence in this games discussion area if you look at its contributors?

I've invited and encouraged a couple of them for comment. Following is an old response but still relevant all the same:

Tuesday, June 18, 2019

[Yesterday, 8:34 PM]
Rayman1103:
As for Helms Deep, I'm listed as a contributor for my VScript code that the map uses. All other file edits are done by SeriouS_Samurai. I don't think it's a good idea to edit the files he did, but it's his add-on... So not much we can do.

Just because Valve is very quiet about all this, doesn't mean key contributors need to be as well.

Information is the greatest alleviator of angst, and what I've provided is but a mere nugget that contributors should expand upon for the sake of transparency and disclosure.

Information should be free.