Is there a competitive scene for this game? :: Left 4 Dead 2 General Discussions

💞 lilmama 💞 has Left 4 Dead 2

(Banned) Oct 9, 2017 @ 3:28pm

Yes and I think there are dedicate servers out there.

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4K_240hz_MLED has Left 4 Dead 2

(Banned) Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:01pm

As a whole this game technically isn't competitive and while there does exist servers and configurations (i.e., Promod) as well as tournaments, it's nowhere near as serious as games like CSGO, LOL, DOTA 2, Rocket League, Overwatch, and hell even Hearthstone. L4D2 is centered mainly around campaign and teamwork rather than competition - even versus emulates campaign except that it allows you to play as infected and points are rewarded based on progress through the levels. Unlike those other games I mentioned, l4d2 isn't taken seriously by Valve, pro gamers, or the entire gaming community in general.

Let's be honest here, there aren't any official l4d2 tournaments that are neither endorsed nor sponsored by Valve. You don't hear about any pro gamers making hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars (or even win a sports car) off of l4d2 tournaments. I don't see any live broadcasts or news of offical l4d2 tournies while I do constantly see or hear about pro gamers competing in CSGO, League, and Hearthstone on the internet. Another final thing, so long as you memorize the maps, characters, weapons, and strategies along with practicing each game mode and difficulty for at least a few dozen hours you should be good at l4d2.

That certainly doesn't apply to other kinds of actually competitive games as there's mechanical skill involved and being "game smart". You stop playing for a few months in CSGO and you'll demote back to being a total noob despite previous experience and progress. Or with Hearthstone if you don't keep on practicing other competitive players will be able to outsmart you with their strategies that you could've beaten had you not slacked off. It's actually pretty pathetic people actually take l4d2 versus so seriously when Valve themselves and the pro gaming community as a whole could care less about a casual zombie shooter.

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Cursed Hawkins has Left 4 Dead 2

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:02pm

I'd honestly avoid versus really because one tiny mistake no matter how small it is and you're gonna get your ass kicked out of the match, no amount of experience will help you either if you end up getting placed in that situation and more often you'll just find people quitting out of matches if they die a inch from the start.

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4K_240hz_MLED has Left 4 Dead 2

(Banned) Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:04pm

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I'd honestly avoid versus really because one tiny mistake no matter how small it is and you're gonna get your ass kicked out of the match, no amount of experience will help you either if you end up getting placed in that situation and more often you'll just find people quitting out of matches if they die a inch from the start.

LOL I did my own social experiment where I would see how fast I would get votekicked by joining random VS games. Guess what the results were? I didn't get votekicked from any of them (except one where the Hitler troll kicked me from the lobby after it ended). My team usually ended up losing but sometimes I would be on the winning team and sometimes my team or the other team would ragequit resulting in a stalemate.

#4

hedy

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:05pm

Originally posted by Lenovo IdeaPad 310:
As a whole this game technically isn't competitive and while there does exist servers and configurations (i.e., Promod) as well as tournaments, it's nowhere near as serious as games like CSGO, LOL, DOTA 2, Rocket League, Overwatch, and hell even Hearthstone. L4D2 is centered mainly around campaign and teamwork rather than competition - even versus emulates campaign except that it allows you to play as infected and points are rewarded based on progress through the levels. Unlike those other games I mentioned, l4d2 isn't taken seriously by Valve, pro gamers, or the entire gaming community in general.

Let's be honest here, there aren't any official l4d2 tournaments that are neither endorsed nor sponsored by Valve. You don't hear about any pro gamers making hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars (or even win a sports car) off of l4d2 tournaments. I don't see any live broadcasts or news of offical l4d2 tournies while I do constantly see or hear about pro gamers competing in CSGO, League, and Hearthstone on the internet. Another final thing, so long as you memorize the maps, characters, weapons, and strategies along with practicing each game mode and difficulty for at least a few dozen hours you should be good at l4d2.

That certainly doesn't apply to other kinds of actually competitive games as there's mechanical skill involved and being "game smart". You stop playing for a few months in CSGO and you'll demote back to being a total noob despite previous experience and progress. Or with Hearthstone if you don't keep on practicing other competitive players will be able to outsmart you with their strategies that you could've beaten had you not slacked off. It's actually pretty pathetic people actually take l4d2 versus so seriously when Valve themselves and the pro gaming community as a whole could care less about a casual zombie shooter.

I think it's a given that it's not a very popular competitive scene, and by no means an esport. (although, honestly, I think versus mode is a much more interesting and balanced gamemode for competitive play than any of the other games you listed I was just asking if it existed. Thanks for going in depth on this though.

#5

hedy

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:06pm

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I'd honestly avoid versus really because one tiny mistake no matter how small it is and you're gonna get your ass kicked out of the match, no amount of experience will help you either if you end up getting placed in that situation and more often you'll just find people quitting out of matches if they die a inch from the start.

from my experience, that's more the case with SCAVENGE than actual versus. SCAVENGE players have to be the most bitter and angry ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I've ever met in a video game.

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Cursed Hawkins has Left 4 Dead 2

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:10pm

Originally posted by CEDA:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I'd honestly avoid versus really because one tiny mistake no matter how small it is and you're gonna get your ass kicked out of the match, no amount of experience will help you either if you end up getting placed in that situation and more often you'll just find people quitting out of matches if they die a inch from the start.
from my experience, that's more the case with SCAVENGE than actual versus. SCAVENGE players have to be the most bitter and angry ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I've ever met in a video game.

No there's been cases in Versus mode some people even have been kicked the moment they joined all because the bot they joined in on was already on the floor.

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4K_240hz_MLED has Left 4 Dead 2

(Banned) Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:11pm

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Originally posted by CEDA:
from my experience, that's more the case with SCAVENGE than actual versus. SCAVENGE players have to be the most bitter and angry ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I've ever met in a video game.
No there's been cases in Versus mode some people even have been kicked the moment they joined all because the bot they joined in on was already on the floor.

I got kicked cause I accidentally joined versus when I wanted to do scavenge. i left just before the kick and then blocked that loser's ass. Gibs 'R Us i think was the guy?

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4K_240hz_MLED has Left 4 Dead 2

(Banned) Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:13pm

Originally posted by CEDA:
Originally posted by Lenovo IdeaPad 310:
Let's be honest here, there aren't any official l4d2 tournaments that are neither endorsed nor sponsored by Valve. You don't hear about any pro gamers making hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars (or even win a sports car) off of l4d2 tournaments. I don't see any live broadcasts or news of offical l4d2 tournies while I do constantly see or hear about pro gamers competing in CSGO, League, and Hearthstone on the internet. Another final thing, so long as you memorize the maps, characters, weapons, and strategies along with practicing each game mode and difficulty for at least a few dozen hours you should be good at l4d2
I think it's a given that it's not a very popular competitive scene, and by no means an esport. (although, honestly, I think versus mode is a much more interesting and balanced gamemode for competitive play than any of the other games you listed I was just asking if it existed. Thanks for going in depth on this though.

Well actually I have to argue CSGO is more balanced since both teams have pretty much similar weapons, skill, and terrain. There is no matchmaking in l4d2 and we can all agree how weak the infected are (except in campaign and third party VS servers).

#9

hedy

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:21pm

Originally posted by Lenovo IdeaPad 310:
Originally posted by CEDA:
I think it's a given that it's not a very popular competitive scene, and by no means an esport. (although, honestly, I think versus mode is a much more interesting and balanced gamemode for competitive play than any of the other games you listed I was just asking if it existed. Thanks for going in depth on this though.
Well actually I have to argue CSGO is more balanced since both teams have pretty much similar weapons, skill, and terrain. There is no matchmaking in l4d2 and we can all agree how weak the infected are (except in campaign and third party VS servers).

Having the same advantages is a bit of a boring way of keeping a game balanced. I mean, it's effective, but it's boring. In L4D2, each side has their own advantages and disadvantages that equal out. For instance, as you know, the infected team has the advantages of backup from common infected and the ability to stun or manipulate the survivors. They sacrifice this for low HP and reliance on their environment. This makes the survivors their foil basically. Because they're stronger, have more range, but less mobility, no backup from anyone but their 3 teammates, and their environment is an obstacle. This is why I think L4D is the most intelligent multiplayer IP made by valve.

Last edited by hedy; Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:22pm

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Cursed Hawkins has Left 4 Dead 2

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:23pm

Originally posted by Lenovo IdeaPad 310:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
No there's been cases in Versus mode some people even have been kicked the moment they joined all because the bot they joined in on was already on the floor.
I got kicked cause I accidentally joined versus when I wanted to do scavenge. i left just before the kick and then blocked that loser's ass. Gibs 'R Us i think was the guy?

I miss when Versus was first put into L4D1 everyone just played the mode to have fun random or premade it was all casual fun none of that competitve nonsense that's overtaken the gamemode now a days.

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Cursed Hawkins has Left 4 Dead 2

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:24pm

Originally posted by CEDA:
Originally posted by Lenovo IdeaPad 310:
Well actually I have to argue CSGO is more balanced since both teams have pretty much similar weapons, skill, and terrain. There is no matchmaking in l4d2 and we can all agree how weak the infected are (except in campaign and third party VS servers).
Having the same advantages is a bit of a boring way of keeping a game balanced. I mean, it's effective, but it's boring. In L4D2, each side has their own advantages and disadvantages that equal out. For instance, as you know, the infected team has the advantages of backup from common infected and the ability to stun or manipulate the survivors. They sacrifice this for low HP and reliance on their environment. This makes the survivors their foil basically. Because they're stronger, have more range, but less mobility, no backup from anyone but their 3 teammates, and their environment is an obstacle. This is why I think L4D is the most intelligent multiplayer IP made by valve.

I don't think having said common infected mainly based around an AI Director can be considered an advantage in my opinion.

#12

hedy

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:24pm

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Originally posted by CEDA:
Having the same advantages is a bit of a boring way of keeping a game balanced. I mean, it's effective, but it's boring. In L4D2, each side has their own advantages and disadvantages that equal out. For instance, as you know, the infected team has the advantages of backup from common infected and the ability to stun or manipulate the survivors. They sacrifice this for low HP and reliance on their environment. This makes the survivors their foil basically. Because they're stronger, have more range, but less mobility, no backup from anyone but their 3 teammates, and their environment is an obstacle. This is why I think L4D is the most intelligent multiplayer IP made by valve.
I don't think having said common infected mainly based around an AI Director can be considered an advantage in my opinion.

How is having a damage source that doesn't put yourself at risk not an advantage?

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Cursed Hawkins has Left 4 Dead 2

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:27pm

Originally posted by CEDA:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I don't think having said common infected mainly based around an AI Director can be considered an advantage in my opinion.
How is having a damage source that doesn't put yourself at risk not an advantage?

Because said damage source doesn't always spawn, The times i have played versus and seen versus on YouTube (and this was also a thing in L4D1 as well) when you had common infected playing as survivors at the beginning and struggled just to get pass there would never have any when you swapped to infected for the next round.

#14

hedy

Oct 9, 2017 @ 4:28pm

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Originally posted by CEDA:
How is having a damage source that doesn't put yourself at risk not an advantage?
Because said damage source doesn't always spawn, The times i have played versus and seen versus on YouTube (and this was also a thing in L4D1 as well) when you had common infected playing as survivors at the beginning and struggled just to get pass there would never have any when you swapped to infected for the next round.

it's still an advantage, though. Even if it's a potential damage source.

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