T spin question

[Leander.quest]

I am a casual player and have played normal Tetris without T spins...now they are possible in Puyo Puyo Tetris and I wonder if they ruin normal gameplay. What is the purpose of a normal Tetris if T spins are more powerful?

Why can't they be disabled or the teleporting of blocks in general?

[Leander.quest]

Ok, I cannot pull it off! Spinning does it work...it always gets stuck. Moreover, I have problems setting it up...I am really bad at geometry...and knowing what to build so a T block will fit.

[CH FR]

no it doesn't ruin the """""""""""""""""normal(asifthefirsttetriswastheonlyoneintheuniverse)""""""""""""""""" gameplay, it acutally makes it even more fun, SRS gives a lot of fun strategies and different fighting styles which makes it such a cool game to play, as for how to set them up, I reccomend checking the harddrop websites, there are plenty of guides on how to do this and that

[Leander.quest]

Thanks but I cannot pull it off. I have to think a lot and it takes way too long.

[gtamike_TSGK]

Originally posted by LeanderAT:

Thanks but I cannot pull it off. I have to think a lot and it takes way too long.

Practice makes perfect study YouTube videos if that helps.
I just have a big coffee for extra brain power lol.

[r3stlessnative]

t-spins have been around in various tetris games for years...its nothing new and its only one style of play, it isnt essential but can be a quick way to send lines.....with enough practice they become second nature....id practice against the computer and get used to setting them up before i try in a multiplayer game

[Leander.quest]

I only played the old Tetris :) (original Gameboy).

Thanks!

[CrossfireCam]

You'll want to start seeing patterns as you play. Instead of just towering up to clear Tetrises, T-Spins and other spins add strategy to the game. What you'll want to do is focus on T-spinning in general. Start by looking for gaps in your stack, and try to build them so there is a T-shaped gap.

Then just add an overhang and you'll be able to T-spin.

---------- > BB------
B------B > B------B
BB--BB > BB--BB

No one faults you for not wanting to know how to L/J spin or I spin, but knowing how to T-spin is important and knowing how Z/S spins work may save your stack if it gets messy. Those last two are something even I don't fully understand though.

T-Spin Triples are another ballpark altogether, but don't come up very often compared to T-Spin double setups, so don't worry about them too much.

Take a look here for more info: https://harddrop.com/wiki/T-Spin

[Leander.quest]

Thanks!

[CH FR]

When you'll be confortable with spins, you might want learn about openers to be able to deal good damage early in the game.
This may seem intidating but if you go at your own pace you'll eventually be able to learn a few things and start enjoying playing more and more ;) .

[Nelle]

The introduce of T-Spin and Seven Bag Randomizer (all the seven pieces appear once in every next 7 pieces) kind of made the versus play predictable...

[CH FR]

Originally posted by Project DKO:

The introduce of T-Spin and Seven Bag Randomizer (all the seven pieces appear once in every next 7 pieces) kind of made the versus play predictable... :sad_pebble:

I don't think it would be as enjoyable as it is, as seven bag randomizer only applies in the begining of the match and t-spin is just a move that can be pulled off in various strategies.
The only kind of match that isn't fun to play is when it's puyo vs tetris and the tetris player goes full tetris harass spam

[Leander.quest]

I had a setup and could use the T block but...it never works! My girlfriend tried it too without success. You just use the stick to soft drop it and you rotate at the same time, don't you? I cannot get the piece to move through obstacles...all pieces get stuck.

[Olivia!!]

You can do T-Spins without kicking ("teleporting") blocks. The by far most common T-Spin Double setup is built with a kickless T-Spin. As for why they are as strong as Tetrises... Who can say? Tetris setups are dirt easy to build mindlessly and they send 4 lines. T-Spin Double setups are slower for beginners to build since they require *some* forethought but, in reward, sends 4 lines for only 2 lines cleared (which makes them take less material, so you can throw them out quicker).
There's plenty of good T-Spin tutorials online. There's no magic input like "soft drop and rotate simultanously", rather, you just rotate the piece once it's in place.

https://i.imgur.com/nx8K2Ak.png

Here's the simplest T-Spin Setup in the world. No kicking, no difficult to learn. You just have to plan ahead a little, build a happy little hole for the T to live, and give him a roof. (Extremely Bob Ross voice)

[Leander.quest]

Thanks! Ah, so you have to move it through? I thought you could press the button to let it go through obstacles.

Ok, I understand your screenshot....but online there are other setups...

Check this out:

https://abload.de/img/tspin0gee5.jpg

I understand how the t block moves down (where the shadow is)...then it is rotated and takes the spot where the orange dots are...then it is rotated again BUT ... it would be where the white dots are....but the blue block is in the way...

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2jsvgokC9o
Min 1:19

[Olivia!!]

This video from S2LSOFTENER explains it pretty well but there is definitely some jank stuff with kicks in SRS tetris (which this game uses). What happens is that when you rotate a piece, it rotates around a set tile, and if it ends up inside a wall it "kicks". By far the most common kick is (0,-1), which just lifts a tile up one - it happens every time you have a tile laying flat on the ground and turn it so it's standing up. Either way, there's a (1,2) kick that happens if none of the other 4 kicks it tries first works, and thats what happens with that setup.

This is all confusing if you dont know what it means and that's okay. What you need to remember is that there are a few ways the game will try to move tiles around the grid that all count as valid and what you posted is *one of the most* controversial results. You don't really need to learn TST setups if you're planning to play casually - chances for them happen rarely.

However, if you want to understand how they work better by getting a general "feel" for them, I reccomend trying to build one for yourself. Just remember that you need to rotate the piece the right way - twisting pieces into holes like this is one of the few times you need to know which rotation button you're tapping; you can't just hit the wrong one three times.

Harddrop has an article that explains the mechanics in depth at https://harddrop.com/wiki/SRS, if you want to read up on it some more

I honestly don't think me trying to explain TST kicking in text is the best way to explain it. They do look really strange and I sometimes get lost when I see someone build them becaue they *look* like mistakes. It's something you really have to try to grasp, I feel.

(If you need any help learning them, I can of course try)