Endings Discussion (Heavy Spoilers Ahead)

[Sir Milot]

So I was wondering what endings you all got and what you think about them.

It seems quite hard to steer towards an ending with the game not allowing saving (which I kind of understand) and not providing an overview of how I am doing except the achievments for how many insanity points I got. (Or did I miss something?) That's why I wanted to hear about the other endings.

I tried to get everyone to green cause im kind of a completionist that way, didn't care about my sanity and wanted to know as much about the patients as possible, and I tried to believe them although I cannot promise that I acted the same towards all the patients.

In my ending Nathan was the killer. Is he always the killer? Because I didn't really suspect him too much (he was number 3 on my list of suspects, Jaya being #1 and Claire #2). In the end, alderby shows up and telly me I am a patient and I made all the patients up. (Kind of unsatisfying, like an "And it was all a dream" ending.)

As for the other patients (IDK whether that changes):
- Claire went to prison for murder (or so it seems, a bit unclear) without being declared insane, even tough I told her I'd declare her insane.
- Bryce became an art critic.
- Elin is looking for a new job after Teri became head nurse.
- I have no idea about Marianna, that part was confusing to me.
- Nathan isn't mentioned.
- Jaya says something about being glad that I stay as a doctor I think?
(Granted my memory is a bit hazy.)

So how for you guys? what parts of the games can change, where did you go different?

[Nuanced]

Finished it my second go around, and figured I'd mention how they differed, first time I tried to get patients to orange/yellow and continue days and the second time I went all out on getting everyone green!

First time:
Bryce (Murderer, guessed on second try): Enraged that I guessed it was him and pointed out that if it really was him how I expected to catch him with his teleporting powers, and then disappeared. (I honestly was flabbergasted wondering if he really was the murderer until the achievement came up after credits because I didn't really think it was him haha)

Jaya (Guessed her incorrectly in the first attempt): Told me that if I thought she killed Dekker that one of my patients was pretty much playing me like a fiddle. In the end I believe she said she was glad my doctor was around (can't recall exactly)

Marianna: Seems to have accepted that Dekker planted the entire Cthulhu experience in her head, and seems hopeful but unsure that she hurt anyone

Claire: Begins with mentioning that everything after stabbing David the first time was her imagination but also mentions that as a result of a tough opposition in court will have a long time to figure things out with me.

Erin: Teri is now head nurse and Erin will definitely look for a new job now.

Nathan: Seems much happier with his ginger-haired dog, talked about how he hasn't looked back at all :D.

Second time:
Bryce: Became a lover of art (Providence I think) and seemed pretty happy overall. Had a winking mention of how going to Providence at night was great because you got the place all to yourself.

Jaya (Murderer, guessed on first try): Told to me to choose my next words very carefully, because the position of doctor was much more replaceable than her's as assistant. Mentions of how she's selected the past few doctors all on her own and that if she killed Dekker it was for the good of everyone else. It ended with her saying something along the lines of did I kill Dr. Dekker, or did you Doctor?

Marianna, Claire, Erin, and Nathan all had the same end I believe as the first time (likely a result of making similar choices haha).

Insanity/Alderby?: This was an additional video that played that I presume is one of the insanity endings, in this Alderby was asking your Doctor questions and was asking if he'd gotten what you said so far correctly, that you were each of these people (referring to an person with an extra hour, a dream-wanderer, a person who kept reliving days, a shapeshifter, a cthulhu god siren, stuff like that) suggesting that you had some multiple personality disorder and were a patient yourself, and that all the other patients you played with in the main game as being figments of your imagination/condition. Very neat.

I copied my second save before trying to guess the murderer so I'd be able to see all the other patients responses to being wrongly accused which I would reccommend as they're fun to see.

Overall, pretty fun, I enjoyed my time, and may revisit at some point to see how the others murder Dekker when they're the murderer.

Also wanted to mention that going all green in the second run gave me alot more information about the characters! I learned alot of things that I didn't even consider the first go around.

[PossiblePsycho]

I'm a bit disappointed with my ending. Apparently, going for "all green" results in "nothing has been real, all we've seen in the game was our insane fantasy". Inside that fantasy Nathan was sadly the killer (Dekker's motive for temporary suicide by proxy remains unexplained), Claire went to prison, Elin (she looked the most suspisious to me through the whole game - and I had little doubt she was killing her patients) was happy and free while Teri was dying, I didn't manage to help Bryce, Marianna was maybe a serial killer, maybe not. Oh, and Jaya was happy to welcome a new doctor - but this part doesn't make any sense since I've never been a doctor at all and everything happened in my sick mind. Meh.

BTW, does the murderer's personality gets generated randomly, or do we somehow determine who it would be?

[amewsed]

Just finished, got all green!

Jaya congratulated me for finding the killer even though it took me six tries. Then there was a hint that I ended up in a psychological assessment unit.

Nathan ended up dating Marianna, and he said that he confesses to her every (repeating) day that she's a murderer and he knows he should leave her but he kind of likes reliving that day over and over again.

Elin was searching for a new job because Teri got promoted to be her boss, and she couldn't stand working under her. She said she was looking at moving to the children's unit.........

Marianna said she was playing along with Dekker's madness the whole time, and she's glad she didn't really hurt anyone, but then she says, "Wait, I didn't hurt anyone, right?" (Which doesn't really add up with what Nathan is saying? So I'm confused. Still.

Claire I believe ended up being sentenced to prison. She said something about an "unfriendly jury." I was still kind of reeling from trying to take everything in, so I only half-listened to her bit.

Bryce was apparently the killer though I honestly believed he was completely innocent. He was my last guess because he said he saw Nathan at the graveyard that night. Now that I think about it I guess he could've used his extra hour or teleportation to kill Dekker and then go back to the graveyard.

And then it ended with Alderby and Jaya talking about Dekker still being alive and absorbing everyone's powers and disguising himself, and they talked about hiring a replacement for Dekker but being wary of whether it would just be Dekker in disguise.

So the insanity ending left me feeling pretty, well... insane.

I want to get the Youthulhu achievement but I thought I went pretty insane, so I don't know how to get MORE insanity points!

DID ANYONE ELSE FIND THE CONTRADICTION EASTER EGG?! It made me laugh so hard.

[Chudah]

Origineel geplaatst door amewsed:

I want to get the Youthulhu achievement but I thought I went pretty insane, so I don't know how to get MORE insanity points!

Yeah, I'm trying for the Youthulhu achievement too, but with being in the last Act and haven't even hit 200 madness points yet, I'm thinking just getting all green isn't enough to do it. Pretty sure you have to encourage the patients with their abilities as well as screw up the 2 dream sequences with Jaya and Marianna. I guess I'll find out on my 4th play through. My 3rd will be the No Hint attempt, and I'm not gonna try for full green without hints.

[mylifeforAiur]

Ended with over 300 insanity points, apparently. I just wanted to see all the videos. Guessed it right that Elin was the killer. It was her or Marianna in my playthrough. But Elin mentioning that she had drank with Dekker before stuck in my mind. That and Jaya mentioning capsules being emptied into his drink.

Can anyone expound on the Nathan trance thing? Did Dekker have something in mind for Nathan to do while in the trance? Or was it just so he wouldn't remember anything before being triggered? I thought I remembered that Nathan got a call from Dekker on Valentine's Night, but that might be me misremembering.

I think it's crazy that Bryce can be the killer. He was nigh-on deranged for me. Don't see how he could compose himself enough to even approach getting away with murder.

[PossiblePsycho]

Origineel geplaatst door mylifeforAiur:

Can anyone expound on the Nathan trance thing? Did Dekker have something in mind for Nathan to do while in the trance? Or was it just so he wouldn't remember anything before being triggered? I thought I remembered that Nathan got a call from Dekker on Valentine's Night, but that might be me misremembering.

In "Nathan is the killer version" Dekker programmed Nathan so that he would kill him and triggered him by that call; Claire was supposed to come by later and ressurect him, but she decided not to. That still doesn't make much sense since we never know why would Dekker want to do this, but that's just it. things don't make much sense in this game. I mean, I don't mind when we are left to wonder if Marianna was an innocent insane girl, a more or less traditional serial killer or an actual siren feeding Cthulhu, but some things just look like loose ends, and in your case Nathan's trance seems to be a forgotten fragment from an alternative storyline.

[mylifeforAiur]

Origineel geplaatst door PossiblePsycho:

Origineel geplaatst door mylifeforAiur:

Can anyone expound on the Nathan trance thing? Did Dekker have something in mind for Nathan to do while in the trance? Or was it just so he wouldn't remember anything before being triggered? I thought I remembered that Nathan got a call from Dekker on Valentine's Night, but that might be me misremembering.

In "Nathan is the killer version" Dekker programmed Nathan so that he would kill him and triggered him by that call; Claire was supposed to come by later and ressurect him, but she decided not to. That still doesn't make much sense since we never know why would Dekker want to do this, but that's just it. things don't make much sense in this game. I mean, I don't mind when we are left to wonder if Marianna was an innocent insane girl, a more or less traditional serial killer or an actual siren feeding Cthulhu, but some things just look like loose ends, and in your case Nathan's trance seems to be a forgotten fragment from an alternative storyline.

Oh, cool. Thanks for explaining.

[Hendumaica]

alright in my ending:

Jaya - Is sure i'm insane, she proposes me to lay down and talk. Then later she welcomes a new doctor replacing me.

Bryce - I haven't solve his problem directly but he seems at peace and advice on going at providence at night.

Claire - Declared insane at the time of the murder. Confess she had an agreement with Dekker. Dekker would suicide himself and she would reanimate him. But she never showed up.

Elin - Is looking for a new job as Teri is now head nurse. She is looking for job at a kindergarden. She was the one who stole the prescription pad from Dekker. Because Dekker made her believe the pad could be used to strip herfrom her powers.

Nathan - Uncured. But enjoy his couple life with Marianna. It seems she fed him to the monster every night but he wakes up afterwards and a new day starts. We've stated Dekker did hypnotised him and planted trigger words in his brain that i've been able to use.

Marianna - The killer. She killed Dekker because he tried to appease the monster, to stop her from feeding it. She blackmails me not revealing it because she has footage of me trying to rape her and framed me with my finger prints on the spiked bottle. It's not said directly but implied that she has a way to make me do what she wants. The way out she gave me was to declare her insane and not responsable fore the murders of all the men prior to Dekker.

It's also told that i live in Dekker's home, i've adopted Dekker's dog and Dekker's Body never got burried. It's also stated that dekker can mimic the powers of all his patients except Marianna's. It's implied i've been posessed by Dekker's soul.

[Paradoxical Normality]

Yet another outcome: I was over 150 insanity points, but under 200. Jaya was my first pick for the murderer with Claire being my second pick. Claire was indeed the murderess.

I was murdered in a copycat murder with a spike through my chest.

Jaya - was asked by Alderby how many more doctors they will need before they find a good one.

Bryce - Became an art lover spending most of his time at the Providence at night.

Claire - murderess- Claire is/was a necromancer. She made an agreement with Dekker to reanimate him after he died. Dekker acutally killed himself with the paper spike, but then Claire did not reanimate Dekker as she had agreed, thus "killing him". She also apparently killed me because I would not give her a diagnosis of insanity for her murder trial.

Elin - Teri promoted to being her boss. Elin looking for a new job.

Nathan - Got a new dog and moved on.

Marianna - Relieved she didn't kill anyone, Or did she?

[D'Avekki Studios]

Really great reading about all these different endings!

@mylifeforAiur Nathan claims he was hypnotised and depending on what branch you're playing, he either takes a phone call or ignores a phone call from Dekker on the night of the murder. If Nathan's guilty, he uses the hypnosis as a defence.

@PossiblePsycho Just because Alderby is telling you it was all in your head, doesn't mean it actually was. To us, he looks like he knows a bit more than he's really letting on at the end of that clip. It would be more convenient for him and the Trust if you believed that though - meanwhile, Jaya can get to work on the new doctor. ;-)

The murderer is chosen at random at the start of the game and the responses of all the characters are adjusted at the same time.

[..]

Origineel geplaatst door continuousq2uyn8=- a:

This is really interesting. I've read some comments here that they picked Marianna, but their outcome was different than mine.... The path I went down... ended with me picking Marianna... who then tells me this story: that I used her to seduce dr. dekker and forced her to get him to the office where i killed him... and she had footage of me pounding on her door of her apartment. she threatens to go to the police. She says she can not tell the police if I declare her insane... and refers to me as though we had a relationship going on. Nathan seemed to carry on a relationship with Marianna... knowing she's continuing to kill people and he relives the same day over and over.

Then the Alderby guy reads a paper - an article about Dekker's replacement being killed (me i guess) and he scolds Jaya for it.

Pretty much what I had. To add, Bryce seemed to just get scared, claire said that david was still alive(even though she said that she killed him... twice), and I don't quite remember what elin nor jaya said. She also was supposedly leading people to their deaths so she was at least guilty for something if not for dekker's murder.
Additional Info:
I'm not sure if the dreams give any additional hints to who the murderer is but I had Nathan as my first dream, Jaya as my second dream and marianna as my third dream. Nathan was having a loop day, and towards the end asked if he should take the pill w/ skull and crossbones that dekker gave him(said no). Jaya wanted me to discourage patients of their special powers. Marianna wanted me to play a "game" with her where she said a word(guilty, murderer respectively) and I give a response(innocent, jaya(give a name of who you think is the murderer)) and to get out of the dream I had to say "I love you". I thought it was jaya at first since no one could confirm that she was home alone but then marianna told me at the last act that she walked back to his office which took an hour to get to after she was on a date with dekker. With the additional evidence of the loans and such, she pretty much set herself up rather than me finding it out from other people. Guessing that some of the other evidence I got was in case the others were murderers(nathan's keyword, referral letters, etc.) but I'm not sure if the other patients only contribute to your insanity points or something else.

Edit: Forgot to ask, there was something written on the screen before the alderby tape i think at the end, but it was backwards just like the redrum thing with jaya. If anyone knows what it said could you please tell me :3 I couldn't read it fast enough.

[Punished Vorst]

From what I understand now that I've put more thought into it, Nathan was the murderer in my run and I was correct about saying he was guilty.

Whether he was telling the truth about being used by Dekker to commit suicide by hypnotising Nathan to murder him, I do not know.

-Claire was still being tried for murder, however I promised to her that I was going to help her get a less severe sentence via the case of insanity, which must be why she gives me the heavy implication that I'm about to do lots of paperwork with her.
-Marianna seemed to go back to living a normal life, and Jaya was very surprised that her suspicions of Marianna were wrong.
- I don't really remember anything special or different about Jaya asides from being surprised that her guess was incorrect.
-Bryce regained his sanity and decided to become a painter, and stopped doing creepy things. Really happy about that one.
-Elin decided to work with children instead of the elderly. Seemed to not believe in her 'power' anymore either which is a good thing, I think?

I seem to have helped my patients get better lives for the most part.
Claire's case is... Well, I don't really think you can help her any more than I did.
Not really sure about Elin though.

About my doctor being killed in a copy cat murder, would love to get the Dev's feedback on this...
I didn't let anybody go green (amber only), would that have affected what would have happened to my doctor?
I assume most of my insanity points where actually from the optional guests who are already amber (I didn't let them go green either though.)
Admittedly the copycat murder doesn't make much sense to me because, if I'm dead then how was I able to see the video tape from Alderby that I had been murdered?
Or am I just over-thinking that part? :P

[sicod]

Interesting ending, everybody won but my poor doctor. Any ideas on not dying?

My insanity score could not have been that high since I didn't get most of the achievments.

I pretty much went green across the board, but also picked all, or almost all, rational and sane approaches in dialogue.

Doctor do you think I have a superpower? No. Should I Russian roulette myself? No. Etc.

I got copy cat killed by the murder, Jaya, who I accussed on guess one...because she was super obvious. Almost everybody had good alibi's but her, and she came to the office that night AND she destroyed evidence (the bottle). I guess she killed me for calling her out on it.

Claire, self defense...maybe because I told her NOT to kill her husband again, but she had to do it anyway.

Mariana didn't kill anybody, or at least hopes that is true. Considers it a shared delusion. BTW what is up with her and Jaya both being shoeless, I wondered if Jaya is the girl Mariana kissed.

Bryce is into art and checking out Providence at night, when it is mostly empty.

Elin's boss Teri is in intensive care and this makes her job easier. She told me she didn't give Teri the cookies (which I didn't eat). Who knows.

Best of all:

Nathan got a rescue dog and entirely got over his issues. YES, I AM A DOG PERSON AND IT CURES INSANITY.

P.S, also like cats.

[jkly]

Origineel geplaatst door PossiblePsycho:

Origineel geplaatst door mylifeforAiur:

Can anyone expound on the Nathan trance thing? Did Dekker have something in mind for Nathan to do while in the trance? Or was it just so he wouldn't remember anything before being triggered? I thought I remembered that Nathan got a call from Dekker on Valentine's Night, but that might be me misremembering.

In "Nathan is the killer version" Dekker programmed Nathan so that he would kill him and triggered him by that call; Claire was supposed to come by later and ressurect him, but she decided not to. That still doesn't make much sense since we never know why would Dekker want to do this, but that's just it. things don't make much sense in this game. I mean, I don't mind when we are left to wonder if Marianna was an innocent insane girl, a more or less traditional serial killer or an actual siren feeding Cthulhu, but some things just look like loose ends, and in your case Nathan's trance seems to be a forgotten fragment from an alternative storyline.

Jaya mentioned that Dekker was interested in learning everyone's different psycho-kinetic abilities. I assume he wanted Claire to resurrect him so that he could figure out how it was done. IIRC, that was also the reason he allegedly kidnapped Iris.


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[Xiija]

Okay so I just finished this and this is my ending:

Killer: Jaya - Guessed on first try but she had my back up the entire game. She had banter and made me chuckle but little things stood out. Then when she said she 'dropped' the bottle with the fingerprints that did it for me. The impression I got from the other patients is that she was obsessed with Dekker and she was jealous when he was dating Marianna and Scarlett.

Nathan - Made me laugh when I mentioned his trigger word and the cut scene ensued with him spacing out. ANYWAY, yeah it appears he was dating Marianna and he knows she kills people and has to leave her but is reluctant to because he likes his days repeating. I liked Nathan, I thought he was the most 'normal' out of all of them.

Bryce - Apparently found peace by going to the gallery at night. Presumably he still has his hour but from what he said he isn't scared of the other person anymore? I don't know he was a bit creepy. Spesh after what he told me about Jessica.

Claire - Was released. Appears a lawyer made a claim for self defense. I'm not convinced she raised David back. The photo she gave me wasn't recent and she was reluctant to prove otherwise. She probably killed him and the little girl too. I also noticed in te final act, as I was treating her that one of the moving shots of her was her walking towards me with a knife. Shifty woman. She also mentioned David being alive in her final cutscene which made no sense to me as she told me she had killed him again. This strengthens my idea that David was never alive after she first killed him and that she tells this story to all new Doctors.

Elin - Was looking for a new job as Teri had been promoted. Elin creeped me out to all hell. She was most definitely killing her patients and I did not trust those cookies at all. She was far too peppy for me.

Marianna - Convinced she's better and happy to know she didn't hurt anyone. I still think she did though. There wouldn't be newspaper articles for no reason. I liked her at first when I offered her cake and she called me sweet. I did not enjoy her obvious advances on me or her accuation about 'violating her like Dekker'

I didn't like Jaya's confession. She accused me in a way and didn't just admit to it so I thought I had guessed wrong. Then it told me I found the killer and I was like 'what... oh?'

I then had a chat with Alderby who explained I was a patient but had told him he was mine and that he had possibly turned the tables? I was unsure but I wasn't displeased with my ending. I just wished Nathan had been happier.