Is SCVI the most unbalanced fight game and the worst of the serie ?

[anzdes]

- raph : frame / track / delay you / fast low / speed / recovry / long range
- amy : frame / track / delay you / fast low / speed / recovry / long range
- azwel : almost same thing + low grab + projectiles
- 2b : disappears during several hits, stronger than reversal, no super needed
- ivy : 2 range grab, like she wasn't good enough with range...
- hilde : fast low hit (really broken)


This is a non exhaustive list of i think extremely cancer char...
not my char but how to deal with this list playing for example mitsu, voldo, kilik, ast etc...
the one who says that there is not a big disadvantage has either played enough or is very dishonest. The attempt risk ratio of these char is biased...
if i'm not telling the truth how do you explain that you repeatedly face the same high ranked char online ?

do you often see S or A sieg ? voldo ? mitsu ? Kilik ? etc...

I think bandai namco really need to revisit the power of all char and remove that garbage reversal.

[DANIEL RAIN]

It's not the worst in the series but it's def one of the most unbalanced and lazy fighting games ever made, that's for sure :D

[anzdes]

Originally posted by Habaduba:

Originally posted by anzdes:

id'like to know your rank and your main to tell me you don't think Ivy and Raph are not high tier...

I play like half the roster usually haohmaru tho, I don't play ranked but I do have an S rank on one or two charrs, I compete in near all EU tournaments and win more often then not.
Ppl don't know raph so he sometimes lands close to top 10 but usually he's mid tier, same can't be said about Ivy, she's pretty much always put mid tier with some ppl in NA putting her low

s rank with ?

[Habaduba]

Originally posted by anzdes:

Originally posted by Habaduba:

I play like half the roster usually haohmaru tho, I don't play ranked but I do have an S rank on one or two charrs, I compete in near all EU tournaments and win more often then not.
Ppl don't know raph so he sometimes lands close to top 10 but usually he's mid tier, same can't be said about Ivy, she's pretty much always put mid tier with some ppl in NA putting her low

s rank with ?

Who cares ? S rank is 3 days to a week queing with any charr if you know the game
I got one with haoh and i think i had one with geralt voldo or hwang too, don't remember now

[ShadowSplit]

After some time playing, I can say with certainty that SCVI has nothing on T8 in terms of balance. I find it so unbalanced that one should not play online until polished.
The game is fun, and everything. But playing against another person online.... the HORROR!

[PanPan]

I think am not good enough to talk about balance.
Meta depends on players. Companies even force rotations to make meta evolves and keep people engage.
There is nothing to do except "nerf things people use/win too much"...

[MGB | Screaming Internally]

Originally posted by anzdes:

s rank with ?

If you think someone's rank is what qualifies them to talk about game balance, you've severely misunderstood something.

[PiratePlatypus]

Originally posted by MGB | Screaming Internally:

Originally posted by anzdes:

s rank with ?

If you think someone's rank is what qualifies them to talk about game balance, you've severely misunderstood something.

bro thinks that ranks matter in a game that's almost dead

[anzdes]

Originally posted by ♥ House Cat ♥:

As one of the few azwel mains in the game all ima say is LMAO yeah no. Azwel gets countered by halve the roster aka rush characters. Mechanical skill to play azwel is so much higher then playing the majority of characters outside maybe yoshi and voldo. His down time between switching weapons is so bad that you can spam azwel in the face and he just has to take it. I play every character to a degree and its much easier to win on legit everyone else more then i do azwel but i find his versatility fun. Cass my other main is 10 x easier to play then azwel lol.

Now lets talk about broken or op characters ill name a few. 2b for obvious reasons, nightmare, siegfried, they have more range then most, they have frames of a character like taki which is insane, they have amazing lows, verticals, horizontals ect. Maxi cause hes hard to read and he can constantly switch lows and mids and has dumb launchers. Kilk for having insane reach but some of the best damage in the game for being super noob friendly plus one of the best soul charges in human history.

You could nerf every character I mentioned up above by 10 percent either frames or damage and they still be S tier.

azwel is clearly one of the most broken characters in the game, his low grab bas is just a cheat on top of that he has several projectiles, he is an abnormality. The kind of character you would never have seen in a SCII

[anzdes]

Without snubbing, It is only after a certain number of hours and practices that we understand the advantages and disadvantages of certain movements (hit frame, recovery, safe high, delay, GRAB etc... ) It is from there that we can tell if a character has more advantageous actions or not compared to the average. It is by understanding this that we progress, hence the fact that the rank is an indicator of the understanding of balancing in the game.

that said, all opinions may be interesting

Once again if some people don't understand that it's not a coincidence that there are more raph azwel amy ivy (explicit example) high rank (S,A) online, I can't do anything more for your brain...

[Habaduba]

Originally posted by anzdes:

Without snubbing:praisesun:, It is only after a certain number of hours and practices that we understand the advantages and disadvantages of certain movements (hit frame, recovery, safe high, delay, GRAB etc... ) It is from there that we can tell if a character has more advantageous actions or not compared to the average. It is by understanding this that we progress, hence the fact that the rank is an indicator of the understanding of balancing in the game.

that said, all opinions may be interesting :PotOfGreed::cozybethesda:

Once again if some people don't understand that it's not a coincidence that there are more raph azwel amy ivy (explicit example) high rank (S,A) online, I can't do anything more for your brain...:rescue:

Your mistake is in not realising that the gap between an average S rank and someone good at the game with decent understanding is collosal making S rank an extremelly broad spectrum with both the best players out there and a casuall player who grinded for a few months, there would need to be multiple ranks higher and considerably harder to get then S rank to accomodate players with a good understanding of the game.
It also goes to show that everyone here states different charracters as broken, all but 3 out of 9 i counted don't even make it into top 10 of tournament players tier lists in any region, so you'd have better odds rolling a die to choose who you complain about then to listen to a steam thread.
Its fine to complain and look for help but refusing to acknowledge actuall reputable sourcess in favour of a forever stuck B rank 5 years past release perspective is nothing short of ignorant

[Habaduba]

You think I'd remember ?

[anzdes]

Originally posted by Habaduba:

Originally posted by anzdes:

Without snubbing, It is only after a certain number of hours and practices that we understand the advantages and disadvantages of certain movements (hit frame, recovery, safe high, delay, GRAB etc... ) It is from there that we can tell if a character has more advantageous actions or not compared to the average. It is by understanding this that we progress, hence the fact that the rank is an indicator of the understanding of balancing in the game.

that said, all opinions may be interesting

Once again if some people don't understand that it's not a coincidence that there are more raph azwel amy ivy (explicit example) high rank (S,A) online, I can't do anything more for your brain...

Your mistake is in not realising that the gap between an average S rank and someone good at the game with decent understanding is collosal making S rank an extremelly broad spectrum with both the best players out there and a casuall player who grinded for a few months, there would need to be multiple ranks higher and considerably harder to get then S rank to accomodate players with a good understanding of the game.
It also goes to show that everyone here states different charracters as broken, all but 3 out of 9 i counted don't even make it into top 10 of tournament players tier lists in any region, so you'd have better odds rolling a die to choose who you complain about then to listen to a steam thread.
Its fine to complain and look for help but refusing to acknowledge actuall reputable sourcess in favour of a forever stuck B rank 5 years past release perspective is nothing short of ignorant

The gap between b and s and often created by the selection of the main character, once again if this were not the case there would not be so many SAME recurring characters in s

[Habaduba]

Charracters like Siegfried, Talim or Amy will have a ton more S ranks coz its almost impossible to play them badly, but thats completelly unrelated to ballancing.
Im not sure why your argument is about the number of S ranks coz the charracters you mentioned... well there really aren't manny, just check the leaderboards instead of making stuff up.
Its double confusing coz most of the charrs you mentioned are plain weak according to top players, biases showing and a weak argument for the game being unballanced

[ShadowSplit]

Originally posted by Habaduba:

Charracters like Siegfried, Talim or Amy will have a ton more S ranks coz its almost impossible to play them badly, but thats completelly unrelated to ballancing.
Im not sure why your argument is about the number of S ranks coz the charracters you mentioned... well there really aren't manny, just check the leaderboards instead of making stuff up.
Its double confusing coz most of the charrs you mentioned are plain weak according to top players, biases showing and a weak argument for the game being unballanced

For Siegfried, I surely can agree. Tried him several days ago, and boy does he feel easy to use or what.
Couple of years ago I tried Ivy. Got the sense of her just frame attack in like 10 minutes. For Taki, who I've been playing since 2007, took me weeks to pinpoint the exact moment for her jf. Not to mention, timing changes if you are at a greater distance of your opponent (this is just training stuff, not something I'm doing in an actual match).

[The Machine]

this is not sc5 or sc4 or gods forbid sc3 the most broken out of any game.